Scoop Witness Line? Rear Antenna Template?

[papa scoops]

Shelbys were special, gtcs was just another mustang promo package to help the sales numbers. nothing special.

[TLea]

Shelbys were special, gtcs was just another mustang promo package to help the sales numbers. nothing special.

sitting on the bench eating popcorn ready to watch fireworks............................................

[GT350Shelb]

         
               

[GT/CS Registrar]

first know gtcs is vin 8T01J118687

lowest ford vin on a   shelby         8T02S110575
 this is not the 1st car ....... 8112  cars ahead 

there are roughly 500 shelbys before you get to 118xxx sequence in ford vins

Nope, first GT/CSs began in the 8R01--130K series.  Updated by Marti info since my '89 and '96 books.

Apples and oranges comparing GT/CS and Shelbys, especially on opposite coasts. But treated the same on Shelby Automotive, A.O. Smith and Ford paperwork at the time.

Enjoy your popcorn.

[TLea]

Nope, first GT/CSs began in the 8R01--130K series.  Updated by Marti info since my '89 and '96 books.

Apples and oranges comparing GT/CS and Shelbys, especially on opposite coasts. But treated the same on Shelby Automotive, A.O. Smith and Ford paperwork at the time.

Enjoy your popcorn.

Geez I went to watch expecting Gladiator and I got Harold and Maude 

[Bob Gaines]

Very well said. I can live with that.    Bob

[GT/CS Registrar]

Meanwhile, anyone know of or have an antenna template for convertible '68 Shelbys?

Thanks,all!! 

Paul 

[shelbydoug]

Meanwhile, anyone know of or have an antenna template for convertible '68 Shelbys?

Thanks,all!! 

Paul 

Are you sure that you don't mean a GT/CS template? How are we now to tell the difference?

[GT/CS Registrar]

Same thing.  Dealers offered the rear antenna.  Fred Goodell first did it on Little Red (coupe), and then the Green Hornet. 
Same position for the hole whether coupe or convertible, power or not.

Not a lot of coupes had the rear antenna (GT/CS or standard '67 or '68 Mustang), but I want to provide the info if anyone wants to do that--and as resto info for Shelby convertibles

I found an original KR conv. to measure.  Original sheetmetal, hole, etc....

I always share any GT/CS crossover info with Shelby--to SAAC.

-Paul.

[GT/CS Registrar]

P.S.

The rear mounted antenna for the '67-'68 Mustang coupe/convertible was a dealer-only installed option. Available only in the electric version for the rear quarter--as listed in the '68 Mustang dealer options literature (However, there was a "universal rear quarter mount" (non-electric) antenna kit for all Fords; part number C5AZ-18813-J )

The "universal" electric rear antenna was originally designed for the 1967 big car Ford (Galaxie, LTD) coupe only, part number C7AZ-18813-C (section 184, page 29, Ford Car Parts book).  It's shorter than the Lincoln/Merc elec. antenna of the same period.

My guess is that it's the same antenna that was used on the '68 Shelby convertible.

-Paul.

[Bob Gaines]

P.S.

The rear mounted antenna for the '67-'68 Mustang coupe/convertible was a dealer-only installed option. Available only in the electric version for the rear quarter--as listed in the '68 Mustang dealer options literature (However, there was a "universal rear quarter mount" (non-electric) antenna kit for all Fords; part number C5AZ-18813-J )

The "universal" electric rear antenna was originally designed for the 1967 big car Ford (Galaxie, LTD) coupe only, part number C7AZ-18813-C (section 184, page 29, Ford Car Parts book).  It's shorter than the Lincoln/Merc elec. antenna of the same period.

My guess is that it's the same antenna that was used on the '68 Shelby convertible.

-Paul.

Paul, no electric antenna was designed to be used on a 68 Shelby. I guess a dealer could install one but you would be expected to have proof of that in a concours event. The 68 Shelby rear antenna is the same 68 mustang front antenna moved to the back utilizing a antenna cable extension to accommodate the extra distance. Bob

[GT350Shelb]

Nope, first GT/CSs began in the 8R01--130K series.  Updated by Marti info since my '89 and '96 books.

lowest ford vin on a   shelby         8T02S110575  so 20000 cars earlier than  gtcs in ford  sequence .

I really don't understand the Connection you seem to think these cars built 3000 miles apart have ?

[TLea]

P.S.

The rear mounted antenna for the '67-'68 Mustang coupe/convertible was a dealer-only installed option. Available only in the electric version for the rear quarter--as listed in the '68 Mustang dealer options literature (However, there was a "universal rear quarter mount" (non-electric) antenna kit for all Fords; part number C5AZ-18813-J )

The "universal" electric rear antenna was originally designed for the 1967 big car Ford (Galaxie, LTD) coupe only, part number C7AZ-18813-C (section 184, page 29, Ford Car Parts book).  It's shorter than the Lincoln/Merc elec. antenna of the same period.

My guess is that it's the same antenna that was used on the '68 Shelby convertible.

-Paul.

The J suffix was not used. It was the regular antenna used on front fender installs. I don't remember the suffix letter but it is a C5 prefix

[GT/CS Registrar]

lowest ford vin on a   shelby         8T02S110575  so 20000 cars earlier than  gtcs in ford  sequence .

I really don't understand the Connection you seem to think these cars built 3000 miles apart have ?

Both the '68 Shelby and GT/CS parts were made side by side at A.O. Smith.  This includes the fiberglass, and the metal parts, lke the grille, and fog light brackets, etc.  A.O. Smith secured the Marchal and Lucas lights, too.  They would load the GT/CS parts on pallets and railship them to Milpitas.  Comparing GT/CS--Shelby VINs between assembly plants is really a moot and irrelevant point, anyway.

The paperwork I have describes discussions about the "California Mustang" along with the Shelby parts, percentages, projected number of parts, etc.  I could go on and on....

But I've never said that the GT/CS was a Shelby.  It was a Ford project assigned to Shelby Automotive.  This was not the same as what happened at LAX; it was a FORD line of cars that they built just for California.  It's all about historical context, and how Ford saw these cars back then. No room for a value judgement 40 years later.

You can't catagorize the GT/CS as "nothing special".  It is what it is.  Thousands of owners have enjoyed them, and have seen a lot of attention while driving them.  And besides, they ARE special, because it says it right there on the body, not once, but twice!  LOL!

If you or anyone else want to get into comparisons, you'll stir up the Shelby Food Chain, and the 427 Roadster and Ford GT guys will be reminding everybody just where they stand.

Paul N.

[GT/CS Registrar]

Paul, no electric antenna was designed to be used on a 68 Shelby. I guess a dealer could install one but you would be expected to have proof of that in a concours event. The 68 Shelby rear antenna is the same 68 mustang front antenna moved to the back utilizing a antenna cable extension to accommodate the extra distance. Bob

Thanks, Bob for that information. I wasn't aware of how and which antennas were used on the Shelbys.

I can't think of a single GT/CS with a rear power antenna, but in a historical point of view, I wanted to tell people what was possible back then.  As you know, dealers were trying to make anything fit anything for some side cash, and the dealer install of an "electric antenna" is on the dealer option list for '68 (at least if someone wants to add one, they know which Ford version was used).

I think what led me to think Shelbys has power antennas was how Fred Goodell was so proud of showing the other Ford engineers that one would actually fit.  Little Red and Green Hornet as his prime examples.

And you are correct about proof of a dealer option at concours.  I have a hood tach on a GT/CS in  my Registry that has a (premature)'69 part number, and was dealer installed on the '68 GT/CS.  Dealer paperwork and everything during the original sale of the car in Monterey. 

Good info!
Paul.