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« on: January 30, 2010, 02:40:58 PM »

what are the different emblem / badges used on the ac cobra? differences between uk and usa built cobras?

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 03:03:06 PM »

what are the different emblem / badges used on the ac cobra? differences between uk and usa built cobras?

COB & COX leaf spring cars would have AC emblems on boot and Cobra on nose. No 'Powered by Ford' emblems. The coil spring COX & COB cars had AC badge front and rear.

Various design Cobra emblems were used on CSX cars depending on time of manufacture.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 03:08:52 PM »

is this one original?


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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 03:29:29 PM »

was this shape never used? (this is a replicabadge)

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 03:32:50 PM »

was this shape never used? (this is a replicabadge)

What shape are you talking about? Nothing attached  Wink

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 03:40:15 PM »

sorry , this one


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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 06:19:52 PM »

I believe that one was on AC Aces and 2.6 Ford powered Aces. The COB & COX wore the open script AC badge.

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 04:52:17 AM »

Picture evidence from new cars indicates that very early to leave AC chassis had the solid background AC domed emblem in front and AC script with no background on the rear.  Not all cars were completed at Shelby's digs so the cars were variable.  The new car images of CSX2001 show these AC emblems front and rear plus the 'SHELBY AC COBRA' emblems. New car images of all types of chassis with 260/289 engines 1962 through whenever the last AC 289 Sports coil spring car were sent out not sold in the USA show the AC script letters of the rear of the cars. So depending on lots of factors new cars had at some point in time or another  these emblems front and or  rear:

Cobra (leaf spring)
AC solid background front (I am still researching this part. The two I have seen reported to have been on a new car in the time frame the early Cobras were finished are of one type. I borrowed the emblem from an ACE that predated Cobras and it appears to have been made by a different supplier and has their name formed in on the backside. These parts appear to be a die stamping as they are very thin and have the details on both side in reverse of each other. They are die stamped with a screw and pin brazed on the their reverse side for attachment and prevention of rotation while in use.)

AC script no background rear

SHELBY AC COBRA (S1CS-A in 1965 parts book)

COBRA (S1CS-B in 1965 parts book) large round flat head snake

COBRA (S1CS-C in 1965 parts book) small round Peter Brock design (Note: There are at least three variants of this part.)

COBRA large round sticker type decal (maybe two different versions) used on some SAI works cars

427 Cobra (coil spring)
COBRA (S1CS-C in 1965 parts book) small round Peter Brock design – this is an assumption based on when the first cars were finished

COBRA (C3RA-A in 1966 parts book) small round FoMoCo version of Brock design – most cars

Note: I said “assumption” above regarding S1CS-C parts and early 427 Cobras. The Shelby American S1CS-19523-C emblem is in the May 31, 1965 SHELBY AMERICAN PERFORMANCE  EQUIPMENT  service part and accessory list.  The FoMoCo C3RA-14225-A is not listed in that book that I can find anywhere. Ford publications into 1966 show renditions of the S1CS-C part.  The SHELBY AMERICAN PARTS BOOK identifies service parts for their cars “AS OF 12-23-66”. This Shelby American publication at the end of 1966 is the very first evidence I have found in decades of hunting for the C3RA-A part.  This book says

“64/66 ALL 289/427 EMBLEM, 2.0IN DIA. COBRA C3RA-14225-A 4.95” (This publication is the earliest factory literature that I have seen that refers to leaf spring cars as “Cobra 289” or “Model 1” instead of just Cobra or Cobra I.  The May 1965 parts book calls them “COBRA I” models. If someone has earlier dated material please contact me.)

Taking all this into consideration early 427 Cobras either had to get S1CS-C parts or nothing because the C3RA-A parts don’t seem to exist yet.  

Also interesting is that the 1966 book renumbers the S1CS-19523-C part as a S1CS-19525-A part.
“63 289/ EMBLEM-AC COBRA-2IN DIA S1CS-19525-A 4.95”.

The same 1966 book has dropped the S1CS-19523-A part from service and moves the S1CS-19523-B part down to accessory status.
“ACCES EMBLEM, AC-COBRA 2 9/16 DIA S1CS-19523-B 1.00”


AC 289 Sports (coil spring)
Whatever the final assembly detailer wanted apparently but most period images show an AC script without background part at the rear.


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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 05:07:15 AM »

Solid AC Emblem – removed from early Cobra finished at European Cars when updated to later specifications



Script AC



S1CS-A – removed from an early Cobra converted to racing, note the 'snake skin scales' details in the letters



S1CS-B – new old stock, never installed, stippled background (Note: This is the second version of the three known variants.)



S1CS-C (on left) – removed from Cobra in 1965 / C3RA (on right) new old stock, never installed


Cobra sticker – used on some SAI race cars (I have seen two versions, I have the most confidence in this version.)



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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2011, 02:51:27 PM »

emblems on the Cobra 289 in france , races historic ( Dijon circuit ) 2010



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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2011, 02:55:50 PM »

back !



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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2011, 03:16:12 PM »

does someone reproduce the shelby ac cobra badge ?


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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2011, 03:22:35 PM »

does someone reproduce the shelby ac cobra badge ?


Yes. They occassionally show up in ebay® auctions.

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 03:56:34 PM »

Does the S1CS emblem on the left have the C3RA part number on the back with 5508-C below that part number or is this a repop that looks like this?

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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2012, 01:01:42 AM »

Does the S1CS emblem on the left have the C3RA part number on the back with 5508-C below that part number or is this a repop that looks like this?

The S1CS-C has no markings on the back.  It originated with Mr. Brock at SA. So far I know of just one person that hand made some replacements for a car's recommissioning. There could be others made as needed somewhere out there.

The C3RA-14225-A marked part (the Ford engineering number) has in addition an apparent mold number, a FoMoCo brand logo, and the manufacturer's logo.  It originated at Ford and despite the 1963 (C3) reference didn't show up in Ford literature until the 1966 model year.  It is a replica of Mr. Brock's design so to speak. The C3RA-A part has been replicated to varying degrees of accuracy for decades by several companies and individuals.  If was amusing during the 1980s that at least two companies reverse engineered an aftermarket replacement into their versions of it. Yep, copies of a copy. Some brands of replacements have some of the reverse side markings included to some degree of accuracy or another.  Some replacements have no marking on their reverse. The first aftermarket replacement I held in my hand was circa 1971-72 when I bought one to examine. I kept it until 2000 when I discarded it when we moved. Last week one of the early 1970s ones was offered in an on-line auction.


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