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« on: November 13, 2017, 07:57:56 AM »

Thankfully, I have the correct hipo C4 automatic Transmission for 281. What I donít have is the original data tag.  I do have a picture of an original tag which is an exact twin of the tag it should have on it. Marti says they donít make one for the transmission. Anybody know where I can have one made?
Thanks very much, Karl

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 10:49:59 AM »

  Karl ,
      Make sure the "consecutive unit number"  is different than the tag you have a copy of. ( bottom right #). Getting the stamp impression into the plate correctly is tough. It wasn't done with a hammer , the numbers were "pressed"  or rolled onto the tag. I'll ask a friend that used to work at the auto trans plant how they did it.

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 11:13:17 AM »

Hi Karl,

I too have asked Marti Auto Works about the tranny tag.  It would seam to be an easy one.  There are no Ford markings and should not have any licensing fee to Ford.  I have heard Marti say if there was enough interest, he would make them.  Maybe if everyone here on the forum would email or call Marti, he get on it.

Cory

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 11:44:28 AM »

A request was made.

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 04:58:36 PM »

   Part of the problem "may" be the unit number. He has no way of determining it without input from original tags . It's not just a random number like many have offered in the past.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 06:14:55 PM »

On p. 1319 of the latest Registry, it specifies the information on the 1966 C-4 tag but does not indicate that a serial number is included, only the ID number, part number and build date.  What's correct?

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 09:11:29 PM »

On p. 1319 of the latest Registry, it specifies the information on the 1966 C-4 tag but does not indicate that a serial number is included, only the ID number, part number and build date.  What's correct?

That is what I'm seeing on examples/pictures I have. Not saying that the markings break down to ID, part number and date just that there is not a "serial number" like we see on manual trans. As for coding believe the second (bottom) line starts with application/engine size, then date , then likely a shift identifier  during 65-66

Maybe there is some confusion between C4's and C6's the later (C6's) have a serial number on the bottom line similar to manual transmission tags. At least in the ones I have pictures of   Chug a Lug

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 10:08:16 PM »

Just for reference, here is a picture of a hipo c4 trans data tag that I know to be from a k code, San Jose non Shelby that is *ABOUT* 50 Ford build numbers prior to 281.
The lower row of numbers is easy, engine, date and shift info. Does anyone know what the upper row, PCW BA represent? Sure wish Marti would consider manufacturing these tags!
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 10:30:23 PM »

Just for reference, here is a picture of a hipo c4 trans data tag that I know to be from a k code, San Jose non Shelby that is *ABOUT* 50 Ford build numbers prior to 281.
The lower row of numbers is easy, engine, date and shift info. Does anyone know what the upper row, PCW BA represent? Sure wish Marti would consider manufacturing these tags!
Thanks, Karl
PCW BA is the transmission tag code for 1966 289 Hipo C4.

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2017, 05:13:52 AM »

So............do I have this correct?

289 Engine
5H10 August 10th 1965
B1    Plant (B) Shift 2

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2017, 07:34:45 AM »

If it's any help, 6S1467 has its PCW BA with a date of 6B4 1.  It's engine is 6B25C with both heads 6A31.

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 08:42:24 AM »

Stan, Does your tag also have C6ZP-C , as shown on page 1319, before the date code of 6B4 1? Thanks, Denny

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 09:10:11 AM »

 I know Bob explained that the PCW BA Denotes 66 289, hipo C4. I guess my question should have been phrased specifically how does PCW as a code break down. How does BA specifically break down. It would be interesting to know just on a personal level but also good information for Marti or anyone else who might consider making these tags at some point.
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 09:46:37 AM »

   Karl,
       My mistake. The 65-66 tags were all like your picture. PCW-BA is the code for the Ford "build information" used. The date is proper for these transmissions and they did NOt have the consecutive unit number on them. The consecutive unit number was added for the '68 and up transmissions. For '67 ONLY the trans code went to PEE-K . The major change was the switch to the "Select shift" valve body with a D-2-1 pattern. The '65-66 had what is referred to the "green dot" valve body which only had a manual low. The center or green dot location was drive and the small white dot was 2-3 only. The green dot trans could be manually shifted from low to second and as long as the speed was high enough , shifted back into low to "hold" second gear for a manual shift at a desired rpm.
    To be sure , the tag pictured above IS correct and the ONLY code number correct for the 65-66 K code transmissions.
     I apologize for the confusion I created.

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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2017, 11:00:34 AM »

Stan, Does your tag also have C6ZP-C , as shown on page 1319, before the date code of 6B4 1? Thanks, Denny
Denny-
   No, it looks just like the one above only with a different date code.
Stan

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