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Author Topic: MYSTERY 10-SPOKE WHEEL . . . any ideas?  (Read 1885 times)
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« on: May 29, 2017, 01:19:15 PM »

Greetings . . .  When I purchased 6S929, it came with 4 original 10-spokes, plus this "mystery wheel."
It has all of the features of an orignal 10-spoke wheel (14", flush valve stem, raised lug nut surface all the way to the hub, etc.), but it looks like someone forgot to finish the outside spokes.  Have any of you ever seen anything like this?
Forgive the picture quality.  I have it mounted on a rear package tray, so the pictures were shot through the back glass. 
Eagerly awaiting your thoughts . . .
Alan in LA




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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 02:36:13 PM »

Any casting info on the back? Maybe CS's wheel company wanted to use the old molds but make something different. The early spokes weren't "finished" but cast with the recesses.

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2017, 07:42:57 PM »

It looks like the spokes' surface is recessed from the hub pad where the center cap mounts more  than a normal 10-spoke.  Someone likely chucked it up in a lathe to 'clean-up' the raised surface and got too happy... but it does look to have come out of an original casting...

Never seen that before; it'll be interesting who else chimes in with other perspectives Popcorn

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2017, 10:13:52 PM »

Hi Werthie

I predict that the original wheel was damaged some how and the owner of the wheel try to repair by turn down the face and what you see is what they ended up with, a highly modified Ten Spoke.  There is also another set out there, all four or five of the wheels were modified.  I have pictures somewhere, but sorry, I can not find.  Maybe someone else on the forum has images.  It was at one of the conventions at Fontana and California Speedway at the time.

Best of luck.

Cory

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2017, 03:52:11 AM »

Pantara maybe?

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2017, 07:13:19 AM »

Pantara maybe?
Not Pantera for sure.

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2017, 01:06:21 PM »

i guess the mystery will remain just that . . . a mystery.

if anyone has an original 10-spoke wheel that i can use a spare, please email me at werthie "at" A O L dot com.

thanks to all . . .

alan in LA




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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2017, 10:29:51 PM »

Hi Alan,

Here is another one.  I am not sure if this is from the set I saw at Fontana.

Also, do the other four all match.  There are two distinct versions (with very very small variations within those two).  See (for two distinct versions): http://saacforum.com/index.php?topic=7759.0

Enjoy

Cory



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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2017, 03:21:13 PM »

thanks, Cory . . .  the wheel in your picture looks just like mine, except yours has recesses in the outside spokes, and mine doesn't . . .  i have no idea about the origin of our wheels . . .  perhaps an early prototype?

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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2017, 04:43:46 PM »

Hi Alan,

I say "Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor).  It is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case, the simpler one is usually better.  Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is. I truly believe these two wheels were just modified by a previous owners.  The reasons for the modification could vary and are the mystery.  A prototype type wheel that got out of SAI or the wheel supplier requires more assumptions and rational as to why the prototype wheels were sold with a regualar set.  And as a few folks on this site say, an extraordinary claim needs extraordinary evidence to support.  I don't see it.  It is more likely they were modified originals wheels.  But you can always imagine the possibilities.

Good discussion and thanks for sharing.

Cory

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2017, 07:00:10 PM »

 idea  I like that.

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2017, 07:23:45 PM »

They look like someone over polished the spoke ribs with a grinding wheel to make them easier to clean.

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2017, 01:53:10 AM »

Werthie, any chance you can contact previous owner(s) for some explanation?

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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2017, 08:00:26 AM »

The previous owner never had the 10-spokes on the car, so he won't be of any help . . .  When I bought it, he was running Torq-Thrusts, and he threw in the five 10-spokes along with some other parts.  I didn't even notice that the fifth wheel was different until I removed the old T/A's and put on the XWX's . . .  It's all very odd. 

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2017, 07:23:13 AM »

FWIW, I am the owner of the set of wheels Cory mentions seeing in Fontana and is shown in his pic. Out of the set, three of the wheels are the same, have no markings anywhere on them, and do not look like they have been machined as all edges have smooth transitions. The fourth wheel has clearly been machined to match the other 3, and the base wheel has features that show it is clearly different than the others. I have never been able to find any other wheels that are similar until now, so I cannot offer any hints at their lineage.

I also thought they might be prototypes, but found a person that knew Pete Brock and sent pictures to Pete through that person asking if he could shed any light on the wheels. His response was to the best of his knowledge, nothing like that had been done at SA and he guessed that it was done by a personal owner later.

werthie,
I sent you a PM with my email address and if you want to sell the one you have I would interested in picking it up to go with the ones I have. At a minimum, I would be interested in some detail pics to compare to the 3 I have.

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