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« on: April 11, 2017, 07:00:01 PM »

I'm not a Cobra expert so I may miss some clues..

This car doesn't have side vents but appears to have Ford alternator dated Feb 14 1963,
possibly SW gauges, forward braced roll bar and unusual tail lights.

Euro tag # QQ 907, photos reportedly dated May 17 1963.

George Phillips Photograph Collection: https://purl.stanford.edu/tk157ky6203

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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2017, 04:26:44 AM »

It's CSX 2126, the first production rack & pinion Cobra (CS 2030 being the r&p prototype).

Ex Thames Ditton on 31st Jan 63, it was airfreighted to Los Angeles, then sent (probably in March) to FoMoCo Dearborn for 'further examination', then returned to the UK. Registered QQ 907 on temporary import plates, it was the Autosport May 63 road test car. Returned to the US on 9th March 64 where it remains this day, it is an important car in Cobra history. ACtion, the ACOC monthly magazine, had a piece about 2126 earlier this year. If anyone wants a copy, please email me: rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk

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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2017, 08:49:37 AM »

It's CSX 2126, the first production rack & pinion Cobra (CS 2030 being the r&p prototype).

Ex Thames Ditton on 31st Jan 63, it was airfreighted to Los Angeles, then sent (probably in March) to FoMoCo Dearborn for 'further examination', then returned to the UK. Registered QQ 907 on temporary import plates, it was the Autosport May 63 road test car. Returned to the US on 9th March 64 where it remains this day, it is an important car in Cobra history. ACtion, the ACOC monthly magazine, had a piece about 2126 earlier this year. If anyone wants a copy, please email me: rstainer@radcothouse.co.uk

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Robin,
  Thanks for the quick update! I was confident this group would have someone with the answers!
Have you see these photos previously?  I was hoping to add to the knowledge base.

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2017, 04:05:41 PM »

Look close. It also served as the test car for the new Ford provided McCordŽ radiator and expansion tank, Ford prototype wiring for what was coming to production at CSX2201 including Stewart Warner instruments and Ford alternator charging system. There were lots of unusual or preproduction or protoype parts in that car, many of them still on the car as shown in modern times.

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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2017, 05:11:56 PM »

Look close. It also served as the test car for the new Ford provided McCordŽ radiator and expansion tank, Ford prototype wiring for what was coming to production at CSX2201 including Stewart Warner instruments and Ford alternator charging system. There were lots of unusual or preproduction or protoype parts in that car, many of them still on the car as shown in modern times.





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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 05:31:37 PM »

Is/was this the same car that Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles were photographed with holding a large trophy that was also in a park-like setting posted awhile back?  I looked and cannot find the image or thread.



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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2017, 09:44:34 AM »

Is/was this the same car that Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles were photographed with holding a large trophy that was also in a park-like setting posted awhile back?  I looked and cannot find the image or thread.



Beginning at 1:45 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plrQFiqoO9g
Note that the side vents appear to be mounted on the surface, not cut into the quarter panel. You can best see this when the car pulls out.

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2017, 11:42:06 AM »

Beginning at 1:45 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plrQFiqoO9g
Note that the side vents appear to be mounted on the surface, not cut into the quarter panel. You can best see this when the car pulls out.
THANKS, so is that the same car but with modifications?  The tail lights seem to be the same which look to be not typical.

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2017, 01:45:03 PM »

THANKS, so is that the same car but with modifications?  The tail lights seem to be the same which look to be not typical.

Most likely but, if it is, it's before CSX2126 was converted to rack & pinion.
Also note the custom rear tag light.

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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2017, 02:18:02 PM »

Is/was this the same car that Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles were photographed with holding a large trophy that was also in a park-like setting posted awhile back?  I looked and cannot find the image or thread.

Based on AC Cars documents and the time frame the picture was taken, no. At the current time we believe there were two red cars, one worm and sector steering and one rack and pinion steering dressed out externally to look the same. The apparent features the two cars share are red exterior, early sun visors, custom wind wings, custom large rear license plate lamp, and large round tail lamps.

I have been looking for more information on the worm and sector steering car and found nothing.

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2017, 02:17:06 PM »

Based on AC Cars documents and the time frame the picture was taken, no. At the current time we believe there were two red cars, one worm and sector steering and one rack and pinion steering dressed out externally to look the same. The apparent features the two cars share are red exterior, early sun visors, custom wind wings, custom large rear license plate lamp, and large round tail lamps.

I have been looking for more information on the worm and sector steering car and found nothing.

Same set of photos, rear view with lights visible.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2017, 05:22:11 AM »

A-Snake,

"it's before CSX2126 was converted to rack & pinion".

This is news to me. Is there evidence that 2126 had a worm & sector steering box in infancy?

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2017, 06:21:10 AM »

A-Snake,

"it's before CSX2126 was converted to rack & pinion".

This is news to me. Is there evidence that 2126 had a worm & sector steering box in infancy?

RS


Before it became apparent that there were two early red cars fitted with the same odd tail lamps, tag lamp, and wind wings, but two different steering systems it was thought that a single car (CSX2126) was being multi-purposed.

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