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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2017, 02:58:54 PM »

Here's the car at Motor City Region Show & Go 37 in Dearborn, MI. (2012)

It's got a flat gas cap. Michigan plate. 4 speed.



Huh. Interesting. It looks like it may have original wheels, based on the gray colored spokes. And, it looks to have a Hurst shifter installed.

I wonder which # car it is?

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2017, 03:35:46 PM »

Car #46

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2017, 07:54:49 PM »

Hi, I have owned #46 since 1969 (am the 3rd owner).  Side marker lamp was missing at time of purchase in '69 (stolen? or vibrated loose?), so the install of the Cobra emblem seemed like a good idea 48 years ago.  Yes, all wheels are original (have an original, worn large-letter Goodyear tire as a spare).    Hurst shifter was installed by 2nd owner.   There was never a Shelby emblem on the grill.    Paint is mostly original, except left rear brake scoop replaced and fender was repainted in`70.   Somebody had inquired elsewhere about the taillight frame trim.    Though difficult to see in the photos, #46's taillight frames are original, have not been removed, and are chrome plated, though they have become pitted many years ago.    Note to John G., who provided the pictures here of #46, I am the guy who conducted Joe Kidwell's memorial service last year (the original owner of the Brittany Blue car #1686 in the lower right side of the 3/4 view picture). 

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2017, 08:00:41 PM »

Hi, I have owned #46 since 1969 (am the 3rd owner).  Side marker lamp was missing at time of purchase in '69 (stolen? or vibrated loose?), so the install of the Cobra emblem seemed like a good idea 48 years ago.  Yes, all wheels are original (have an original, worn large-letter Goodyear tire as a spare).    Hurst shifter was installed by 2nd owner.   There was never a Shelby emblem on the grill.    Paint is mostly original, except left rear brake scoop replaced and fender was repainted in`70.   Somebody had inquired elsewhere about the taillight frame trim.    Though difficult to see in the photos, #46's taillight frames are original, have not been removed, and are chrome plated, though they have become pitted many years ago.    Note to John G., who provided the pictures here of #46, I am the guy who conducted Joe Kidwell's memorial service last year (the original owner of the Brittany Blue car #1686 in the lower right side of the 3/4 view picture). 

Wow.  Thanks so much for posting!  Truly great information - fantastic!  Chug a Lug

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2017, 11:30:20 PM »

I'm a bit surprised "Richstang" has not contributed to this thread, hope all is OK and we hear from you soon!

He has started a list of Upper Scoop Light cars and to answer a previous question - according to his list he has 58 cars "confirmed" that had the lights and the break-down by color of his list (if I have this right) goes;

Bronze 3
Dark Blue 8
Black 16
White 11
Dark Moss Green 8
Medium Metallic Gray 5
Lime Gold 6
Brittany 0
Red 1
Acapulco Blue 0

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2017, 04:23:43 AM »

Wow, no. 46 is an awesome car!  Props for the ingenuity years ago my friend.  Have you ever thought of adding the lights back now?  I'd bet the car is still wired for them.

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2017, 06:19:28 AM »

Well, while we are on the subject I have a NOS set. Plus, I found a company that makes the replacement version too. So you could run around everyday with the repos and then put the Dietz lenses on for show. Let me know if anyone's interested. They just need a good home! Regards, Matt

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2017, 11:32:31 AM »

Here are some more images regarding the upper scoop lights and repeating some to have them all near each other.

First a couple Daytona Coupe images showing lights (looks like two versions - one taller than the other) these are like the ones used on the Red and Odd Lime cars in early promotional items.  

Next, looks as though the same lights (both versions) were also used on Allards, earlier, and probably other cars too.

Section of an early ad stating the lights as a feature unique to the new '67 Shelby's.



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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2017, 11:41:36 AM »

Comparison of the prototype and the production lights.  Note the rubber base, chrome ring, bigger footprint and lower lense height of the "prototype".  

The units Shelby installed on the production cars were being used as clearance lights on the semi-trailers and were made by R.E.DIETZ CO. in Syracuse N.Y. who supplied products to the trucking industry.  Here's a link to the history of R. E. Dietz
( http://www.lanternnet.com/history.htm ).  They have since folded and are no longer manufacturers.  Newer versions of these lights have been available from NAPA and are very close to the originals.

Back of scoop with light unit embedded in the fiberglas and ground wire added, the hot lead wire is missing in this image.

Scoop & Light in car with dimple behind light.  

Light unit(s), center circle inset is an original unit not installed.  The others are newer versions like the NAPA sold units.  The upper right round inset is a Hooded or Shielded version offered for the semi-trailers or box trucks offering some protection. The wire seen on these is the hot lead to the bulb.





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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2017, 11:46:40 AM »

There are about 5 or more versions of the red lenses, (there are also amber and clear lenses and some amber versions are currently on some cars but these were probably never installed at Shelby American).

The correct for Shelby's version has a "DZ" in an oval and "77-832" below and perimeter of ridges near the base.

There is a version of this with four nubs in the ridges.

There are also;
A version that has "Signal-Stat" and "77-832" molded in with four nubs,  
One that has "SER-DO" "K-101" "SAE -P-65" in the dome of the lense,
and one that has "LS-310" that is small and molded in the perimeter edge, on these there is usually a number molded in the edge opposite the "LS-310".  

The number of cars that got these originally is not known and I'm sure there is more to know on these oddities of '67 Shelby's.

Also, Thanks to all that have helped me on this topic and continue to do so helping all of us.




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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2017, 12:06:49 PM »

I'm curious the steps Shelby American took to install these lights? Extra wiring? Drilling holes? This is a very interesting thread, thanks for all the information and pictures.

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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2017, 12:18:19 PM »

I'm curious the steps Shelby American took to install these lights? Extra wiring? Drilling holes? This is a very interesting thread, thanks for all the information and pictures.

The lights were embedded by the scoop maker (I'm assuming), Shelby workers had to add a ground wire to the light body since they were now encased in fiberglass. A hot lead was spliced into the brake/turn wire at the rear on each side and run to the pigtail (shown in the images above) on each light unit.

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2017, 02:46:52 PM »

I'm a bit surprised "Richstang" has not contributed to this thread, hope all is OK and we hear from you soon!

He has started a list of Upper Scoop Light cars and to answer a previous question - according to his list he has 58 cars "confirmed" that had the lights and the break-down by color of his list (if I have this right) goes;

Bronze 3
Dark Blue 8
Black 16
White 11
Dark Moss Green 8
Medium Metallic Gray 5
Lime Gold 6
Brittany 0
Red 1
Acapulco Blue 0

Thanks for noticing my absence JD!  I'm doing fine. I've been off the grid helping with some family matters for the past 2 weeks.

I haven't had a chance to check my list yet There might be a couple of additions.
I'm up to 60 cars with the USL's, 33 without, focusing on the first 250 cars. The cut off date seems to be around the second week of January.

As rare as it is, Raven Black is likely the most common paint color for cars with the Upper Scoop Lights, since they were almost all produced early on.

Also, thanks for all the great photo tutorials JD!
 Chug a Lug

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2017, 01:11:22 AM »

JD,  I think I have one of every style.  I'm thinking of starting a Dietz Museum. Grin  I do have one set that is 'Assembly Line Correct', but oddly both lenses have what I would call an internal mold defect.  Looking at your beautiful visual aide, I think I can make out the same defect on the one you have posted, or is that my imagination?  It's not easy to see, as you have to almost rotate the lens to see it.  When installed, it is rather hard to see.





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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2017, 07:38:18 AM »

Brian, yes and no -

Yes, the one in the image I used above and the ones you have do have the flaw you noticed. 
Older/other versions do not seem to have that.

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