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« on: March 01, 2017, 10:29:43 AM »

JD,

Would you consider doing one of your famous side-by-side 'comparisons with captions' photos about upper scoop lights?
I have original photos of what appears to be 3, possibly 4 different versions.

If you could confirm how many types there were and then compare them from early to late in one of your stitched photos, having that easily accessible on the Forum would surely be appreciated by us all I'm sure! 



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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2017, 11:30:26 AM »

Kieth, you're too kind.

I'm on my way out to a clients, I'll try and put something together later but I'm sure it will need some "adjustment" by others (Bob G) so don't take the first posting as "correct".

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2017, 11:33:32 AM »

Okay JD, Thanks. I look forward to it...

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2017, 11:52:04 AM »

On the red side marker cars, which body color did they produce more of? Just wondering. I've never seen a line gold car in person with the red marker.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2017, 12:23:58 PM »

Here is car #130



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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2017, 12:48:29 PM »

On the red side marker cars, which body color did they produce more of? Just wondering. I've never seen a line gold car in person with the red marker.
Yes, I know car #111 has them it was at Watkins Glen and I got some photos, can post later.

Nor sure what color "has the most".

(they are not side marker lights another misnomer that can't seem to get corrected.  Side marker lights are on '68 and up cars as mandated by the DOT.  The upper scoop lights on '67's are "Eye level brake & turn lights" as per SA meeting notes and promotional materials.  Easier to just call the upper scoop lights.)

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2017, 06:07:01 PM »

Hi all 67 fans!
Thanks for posting the picture of the Lime Gold car.It shows the light used on this car and the Red "postcard car" which we now know may be the only cars to use this larger light with a chrome base.The picture of car # 130 shows
the light used during the short production run of scoop lights.I think what may be perceived as different lights is actually the same light mounted in the scoop at a different height,or with a difference in the diameter of the hole it
mounts into.This changes the amount of metal base visible and can really make you think it is a different light.
To answer the question about which color or the actual number of cars equipped with lights we would need to inspect each car built,and until someone makes time travel possible I don't think we will ever get an accurate count.
The best guestimate so far would have to be by date(s) and if you do that it works out to well under the 200 car estimated number we have heard for years.Color wise can be equally tricky...One thing we do know is the color Red
was not used for production cars until after January 1967--only prototypes and engineering cars were Red prior to this date.Lime Gold was just introduced so very few would have the lights, and as mentioned in another post Brittany
Blue & Acapulco Blue were not built with them.Another point to consider...very few G.T.500 cars had them.Just my 2 cents worth.Looking forward to J.D.'S usual excellent pictures/input.Thanks in advance!!
Regards R.R.

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 10:16:34 PM »

For starters, Here is the image Kieth first posted and to answer Jerome's question a Lime Gold car with upper scoop lights.  Note:

1. the two Lime Gold cars are not the same Lime Gold - it is thought that the car on the left is #176 and was originally another color and painted Lime Gold over the original color or a poor version of the color.  Notice the Mustang in the same photo (red arrow) that is much closer in color to the car on the right which is car #111

2. The car on the left used in the promotional images and literature has the lights with the chrome base trim ring, also on the red prototype (Lowell's) car in the promotional pieces.  It is thought that only these two cars and the upper scoop lights with the chrome base trim rings.  These lights also appear on the tail of the Daytona coupes (and some other cars made in England - I think they are Lucas - photos to come) they were probably handy in 1966 at Shelby American.

3. The light in car #111 was more typical of what was used on the '67's. Notice it is a smaller light.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2017, 02:04:50 AM »

I'm liking it already JD . . . . . . 
              Popcorn

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2017, 04:46:50 AM »

I think what's even more interesting is how many later non-upper scoop light cars seem to still have a ghost outline of where they would have gone.  Was this where they plugged the mold after dropping this feature?

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2017, 07:03:13 AM »

I think what's even more interesting is how many later non-upper scoop light cars seem to still have a ghost outline of where they would have gone.  Was this where they plugged the mold after dropping this feature?
Actually, there is a stud on the back in that location and the fiberglass is thin there, just a little over tightening of that fastener causes an indentation that people think is the remains of a hole for a light that's been filled-in.  (some guys have taken light out and filled in or covered over the hole where the light went).  

You can get the same indentation with the light but it isn't noticed because everyone see the light not the indentation beside it.  Note light reflection near dimple.





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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2017, 12:40:36 PM »

Actually, there is a stud on the back in that location and the fiberglass is thin there, just a little over tightening of that fastener causes an indentation that people think is the remains of a hole for a light that's been filled-in.  (some guys have taken light out and filled in or covered over the hole where the light went).  

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No, I don't know what car this is.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2017, 01:05:00 PM »

The car with the Cobra medallion in the upper scoop is #46. Owner is a good friend of mine. (Detroit area).

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2017, 01:06:46 PM »

Like this?



No, I don't know what car this is.

Jon, THAT'S THE ONE Thanks for posting I've been looking for my copy of that and have not been able to find it.

(Tom sent to me back when now I know where to look for it!!)



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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2017, 01:53:46 PM »

Here's the car at Motor City Region Show & Go 37 in Dearborn, MI. (2012)

It's got a flat gas cap. Michigan plate. 4 speed.



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