#2208 restoration update

[frank.herbst]

    Based on postings, PM’s and emails it seems like many of you guys keep track of these old Shelby’s so I wanted to give you a quick update with a couple of pictures. 2208 has come a long way and as of yesterday we now only have 9 pages of small things to clean up before SAAC 37. We must be crazy for a butt kicking to do this.    
Frank

[caspian65]

Looking nice.  Are you going for Div 2 judging?

[Bob Gaines]

Frank, you asked to point a  few things that stick out?  In the picture of the engine compartment are - get rid of the sticker on the breather cap and make sure it is a FoMoCo in the oval. Paint the top of the master cap black as should the rest of the master. You need the sealer/sounddeadner around all of the items coming out of the firewall including the master.a zinc dichromate finish on the oil pressure sender preferably a OEM. You fuel line is not routed correctly and needs to run  so as to be held by the clip which is missing in the fuel line bracket .  It has a bend around the thermostat housing.The coil end of the dist wire should be straight up version and not angled. I can't tell if shock brackets have washers-they should. I can't tell if the underside of the hood has body color overspray but needs some if it doesn't. Looking good.   

[frank.herbst]

  Yes we are interred in the Division II class. Seems like a good class for cars that were driven a lot (our car was driven up until the early 1980’s) and then put into storage for years. The good and the bad, all there but all used up…

Bob – Thanks for the input.

[SHELB66]

Very, Very Impressive!  Job well done, Frank!  Your hard work and patience has really payed off.  Thanks for sharing the resto with the rest of us.

Craig R.

[Brant]

I can't tell if shock brackets have washers-they should.

Bob,

I know there have been threads about this issue before, but I know that 6S2301 has the washers, but 6S2268 does not.  Both are extremely original cars.

Dave McDonald might chime in here too.  I believe Dave has been compiling a list.

[Bob Gaines]

Bob,

I know there have been threads about this issue before, but I know that 6S2301 has the washers, but 6S2268 does not.  Both are extremely original cars.

Dave McDonald might chime in here too.  I believe Dave has been compiling a list.

Brant , this is a issue more important for a unrestored survivor car then a restored car IMHO. On a restored car everthing is changed to a higher standard for the most part . Also this is a typical issue vs a out of the ordinary issue. This particular variation from the normal has been discussed here before. I don't dispute that some mistakes did happened for whatever reason on the Ford line and some of these cars slipped through without them. We have seen examples of this very same mistake on other year Shelby's as well.  The original engineering intent was that they all were supposed to have the reinforced shock bracket. If a owner wants to portray the car as the way it came with the assemblyline mistake even though it makes it less then the engineering standard that is a decision best left up to the owner. I would certainly only consider this if there was good probable cause to do so. If it was a cool mistake instead of a inferior one it would make the decision easier for the owner to make IMHO.  The downside is having to be around to explain that this mistake was a assemblyline variation that was seen on other original cars instead of a mistake made by the restorer. There are many that seeing that mistake will walk away never understanding it was for assemblyline supply reasons where Ford ran out of the good parts or whatever .  I am not advocating a cookie cutter car because there are enough variations on Shelby's to keep that from happening . It would be prudent to have some type of reasonable documentation to support your viewpoint of a out of the ordinary item so as not to appear to be a cop out if your lucky enough to have someone ask the question rather then walk off not saying anything thinking it was a restorer mistake. Sometimes if you don't want the aggravation of explaining that this was not your mistake but a assemblyline mistake every single time it is better to take the path of least resistance. Again this is best left up to the owner . Just my opinion .

[s2ms]

I know there have been threads about this issue before, but I know that 6S2301 has the washers, but 6S2268 does not.  Both are extremely original cars.

Dave McDonald might chime in here too.  I believe Dave has been compiling a list.

Brant is correct, I have been compiling a list.  FWIW, and just for information purposes, I have a list of about 25 cars without the washers, about half are personal observations and the other half from photos and/or owner conversations of both restored and unrestored cars. The earliest Shelby VIN on the list is 6S1546 and the latest is 6S1902.  Obviously the Ford VINs would be most helpful but the Shelby VIN is the best we can do at this point.

Dave

[GT350H]

Brant is correct, I have been compiling a list.  FWIW, and just for information purposes, I have a list of about 25 cars without the washers, about half are personal observations and the other half from photos and/or owner conversations of both restored and unrestored cars. The earliest Shelby VIN on the list is 6S1546 and the latest is 6S1902.  Obviously the Ford VINs would be most helpful but the Shelby VIN is the best we can do at this point.

Dave

Add 6S1918 to your list if it isn't on it.  My shock tower caps didn't have the washers when I acquired my Hertz Shelby with 55K on it.  In fact, I never heard of the washers on the shock caps until a couple of years later, and then had some special reinforcing braces made for the caps when I hill climbed the car later.  I don't enter concours so that's not really an issue with my car.  I do think they were necessary though, especially when running the Koni's.  I had a right-front Koni seize up on me once, unknowingly, which caused that shock cap to rip apart like a piece of paper when hitting a chuck hole too fast one time.

[Doug C]

Okay maybe I missed this but what is the "generally" accepted car numbers that "don't" have the washers.  Car #988 has them; car was built Dec 1965.

Thanks

[66GT350PS]

Was the oil filter left on when the engine was painted?

 

[Bob Gaines]

Was the oil filter left on when the engine was painted?

 

That is another can of worms . We know from lunch box examples smuggled out of the plants that the filters were already painted blue (66). As far as if the already blue filters were on the engine when it was painted I personally don't believe so from the evidence or lack of it. The few original factory take off's that I have seen do not show any sign of additional painting ,overspray or drips. I believe some type of mask was employed to cover filter area during the painting process. I can't think of any good reason to have it installed that would overide the possible problems if it were installed and then painted. Others my have different opinions. Regardless of if proven painted before installed or after ,as it applies to a concours car it is expected to be block color on a 66 before the first oil change.

[J_Speegle]

.......... Paint the top of the master cap black as should the rest of the master. ........................

Then replace the decal over the black paint - given your cars assembly date at San Jose your very close to the start of its usage

Bob,
I know there have been threads about this issue before, but I know that 6S2301 has the washers, but 6S2268 does not.  Both are extremely original cars.

#6S2268 may have been changed when Bill changed the shocks - that has always been the possibility IMHO for that car. For that reason I've not used that detail from that car be a weighting factor.  Just my observations - knowing the car very well for over 30 years

    Based on postings, PM’s and emails it seems like many of you guys keep track of these old Shelby’s so I wanted to give you a quick update with a couple of pictures. ........

Looking good - sent you a short list of quick easy things

[ITHERTZ]

Wonderful looking car - may I also add (correct me if I'm wrong) that the bypass hose and clamps should be painted blue as well?  I can see a raw looking clamp sticking out, but can't make out the hose for sure.

[s2ms]

Add 6S1918 to your list if it isn't on it.  My shock tower caps didn't have the washers when I acquired my Hertz Shelby with 55K on it.  In fact, I never heard of the washers on the shock caps until a couple of years later, and then had some special reinforcing braces made for the caps when I hill climbed the car later.  I don't enter concours so that's not really an issue with my car.  I do think they were necessary though, especially when running the Koni's.  I had a right-front Koni seize up on me once, unknowingly, which caused that shock cap to rip apart like a piece of paper when hitting a chuck hole too fast one time.

Thanks Bill. For some reason I did not have 6S1918 on my list, it is now.

As far as needing the washers, all I can say is the PO of 6S1757 raced the car HARD from 1972-1977 on the original shock towers without washers, but with Koni's, and never had a problem. I still have the shock towers. Maybe he was just lucky...

Dave