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Title: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 11, 2015, 02:50:56 AM
Well, it looks like I'm starting my 3rd thread in the Shelby American History Board, and it will be under the name 'Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration' - explanation to follow...

This all began when I started the 'GEORGE WATTERS COLLECTION' in April 2014, and what an adventure that turned out to be!

Then Jim at Shelby Parts spoke with me about doing some scanning for the Shelby American Collection's archives. That's how the 'NATIONAL SPEED SPORT NEWS' thread came about, using the collection of papers that Jim had acquired. And that is still ongoing - I've just recently started posting the 1966 issues.

But he also has a lot of other miscellaneous items of historical interest, and is acquiring them all the time. So we thought we would start a separate thread for these various & unusual items. I'm going to continue with the same format that has seemed to work for the other two threads, that being to keep them all in the same place even though they may be of different subjects and categories. That way, members know where to go anytime they want to check and see if there is anything new in there. I'll just add things to it as time permits.
 

 


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 11, 2015, 03:22:28 AM
Jim has these things that we call 'proof sheets' for lack of a better term. They're 8.5" x 10" 'photos' of strips of negatives. He doesn't really even know/remember where he got them, but they're old & curled up and not easy to scan. But they're real interesting, and it seems like they contain images that have not been published before, at least images that I have never seen before. On the back of this one is handwriting that says "Haschel #1" and "Roll 9 - '64 Sebring, Fla. - Stocks & 12 Hr. Endurance".

I'll scan the whole sheet at a lower dpi to show what the entire sheet looks like, and then scan the Shelby American items of interest at a higher dpi and post them below the sheet. Where images are side by side I'll scan them together and when they're single images I can make them larger - all of the sizes shown here are regulated by the limits set by the Forum, but will open bigger when saved.

There are some nice single images from this sheet that will be in the next post, but here's a couple of double images below the big sheet:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_1_%28100_dpi%29.jpg)


CSX2287:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_1a.jpg)


CSX2287 and CSX2196:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_1b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on March 11, 2015, 04:51:35 AM
YEE HA!

Keep 'em coming, Kieth. I don't always post a comment, but I check your history threads every day for new pictures. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into this. And thank you to Jim Cowles of Shelby Parts and Restoration for being so generous in sharing these priceless documents and pictures with the Shelby community.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Texas Swede on March 11, 2015, 06:24:30 AM
Thanks, I think I see a Lotus Cortina on one of the pictures. Also a very cool car.
Remember them from rallies and racing in Sweden in the mid 60's. Very competitive cars
and sometimes beat the 65 Alan Mann prepared Mustang driven by Bo Ljungfeldt.
Used to own a Lotus Cortina over there. Great car.
Texas Swede


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 12, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
More images from Proof Sheet 1 at Sebring '64:


Miles in CSX2196:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_1c.jpg)

Gurney in CSX2259:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_1d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: ALF on March 16, 2015, 06:52:41 AM
MANY thank for sharing this pictures


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 16, 2015, 10:09:08 AM
MANY thank for sharing this pictures

Sure - here's more!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 16, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
Here's the last 2 images from Proof Sheet 1:

CSX2287:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_1e.jpg)


The ex-Shelby Team Car - CSX2137/Ralph Noseda:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_1f.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on March 16, 2015, 06:10:44 PM
Very neat!  Chug a Lug 

Love the 'patina' of the vintage shots.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 18, 2015, 01:39:54 AM
Here's another Proof Sheet.
On the back of this one is handwritten: "#3 - Haschel - Roll 10 - 64 of 21 March 1964 - Sebring 12 Hr. Endurance."

I don't really understand what the red markings & comments indicate.

But, there are 10 images of Cobras hiding in there . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_%233_%28100_dpi%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Paul H on March 18, 2015, 03:31:40 AM
I too do not always comment but would like to mention that I am thoroughly enjoying your threads.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 19, 2015, 12:18:23 AM
I too do not always comment but would like to mention that I am thoroughly enjoying your threads.

Great, I'm glad you're enjoying them!

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 19, 2015, 12:27:43 AM
Some of the Cobras from Proof Sheet #3:

CSX2259:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3a.jpg)



CSX2155:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3b.jpg)



CSX2127:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3c.jpg)



CSX2259 again:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on March 19, 2015, 06:49:22 AM
Great stuff!  Chug a Lug

Probably some never seen before photos!   Even in black and white they seem to come to life.

Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 19, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
Great stuff!  Chug a Lug

Probably some never seen before photos!   Even in black and white they seem to come to life.

Thanks for sharing!

You're welcome, and I agree with all of your comments.

I really think that they have never been seen/published before because they aren't 'perfectly' framed shots, you know? They may be off center, out of focus, too far away, have another car 'cutting in', etc.
 
But that's what makes them so cool - and what has probably kept them from being seen all these years.
The red marks on them seem to indicate some sort of notes/instructions for cropping, etc. for possible submission for publication.

There's a few sheets coming up that have four 4" x 5" photos (not negatives) per page, and 3 of those unseen images are epic...

The cutting floor - there's good, historical stuff down there! 


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 24, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
More from Proof Sheet #3:

CSX2153:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3e.jpg)



CSX2127 & CSX2137:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3f.jpg)



CSX2260:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3g.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 67snakeman500 on March 24, 2015, 02:27:03 PM
These vintage pics are great,  where on earth are you finding all this stuff?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 24, 2015, 11:38:05 PM
These vintage pics are great,  where on earth are you finding all this stuff?

See page 1 and read Reply #1 . . .


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 25, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
Here's the last 3 images from Proof Sheet #3:

CSX2287:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3h.jpg)



CSX2301:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3i.jpg)



CSX2127:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_3j.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 26, 2015, 09:31:40 AM
Taking a little break from the 'proof sheet' negatives, Jim also has Race Programs that are always of interest, so we'll do a few of them now to mix things up a little.

Here is one from Mallory Park for the March 13, 1966 race. These programs are of interest to me because they confirm race dates that are sometimes listed differently in different sources.
And SAI cars on the cover are what draws us to them in the first place, although what's represented on the cover will usually be different cars at previous races.

For example, this 1966 Mallory Park cover uses a representation of CS2131 at Aintree on 4/18/64:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mallory_Park_-_March_13%2C_1966.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CS2131_as_%2384.jpeg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 31, 2015, 09:29:25 AM
A Cotati race program with a pretty eye-catching cover:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Cotati_-_May__63_cover.jpg)


The article in it about the first Northern California appearance of the Cobra:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Cotati_-_May__63_-_pg_14_text.jpg)


The photo that accompanied the article (which is Dave MacDonald in CSX2026 at Dodger Stadium in March, 1963):

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Cotati_-_May__63_-_pg_14_photo.jpg)


A color photo that I added here to show Dave's Cobra at that race even better:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/cobra289firstwin13.jpeg)


And a cool ad in this program that advertises where Ken Miles used to work:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Cotati_-_May__63_-_ad.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 01, 2015, 09:36:14 AM
This cover of a 1966 Mallory Park race program is illustrated with Sir John Whitmore & CSX2345 at Oulton Park on May 1, 1965.
The delight on his face in the photo I've added of him at that same event is clearly visible in the illustration also - amazing!

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mallory_Park_-_August_29%2C_1966.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2345_at_Oulton_Park%2C_5-1-65%2C_Sir_John_Whitmore.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 01, 2015, 10:14:57 AM
Jim also has these things that we call 'photo sheets' - again, for lack of a better term. They are 8x10 sheets that have four 4x5 photos on them.
There's nothing written on the back of these, like there was on the back of the proof sheets.
And same as with the proof sheets, he doesn't really even recall where he got them - but they've got some good stuff on them!

Do you see what's in the upper right on this one? (you're going to get a taco-neck by looking...)

Well, I was just about to rotate it, crop it, magnify it and post it, and then - the dreaded Disk Quota Exceeded warning . . . . . 

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Photo_Sheet_1_%28100_dpi%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Disk_quota_exceeded.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on April 01, 2015, 10:45:20 AM
hope this half-step helps until you are up and loading again soon...



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on April 01, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
Could the photo in the upper left be the Alfa TZ that Johnson & 2259 hit at Sebring in 1964?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on April 01, 2015, 03:36:35 PM
Could the photo in the upper left be the Alfa TZ that Johnson & 2259 hit at Sebring in 1964?

That's what I was thinking too.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 03, 2015, 12:22:30 AM
Jim talked to Ron Richards of SAAC and got me fixed up & going again - Thanks Guys!


hope this half-step helps until you are up and loading again soon...
car 26-JD - It did help, and Thank You for doing so! But I thought I would post it here again, in the larger size that doesn't have to be opened like an attachment.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Now, getting back to the excitement I felt when I first saw that image for the first time, I thought, Wow, another unpublished/unseen photograph!

Of course, I immediately recognized Dave MacDonald in his signature 'Cobra' helmet. And there's Bob Holbert looking at him - this is at Sebring in March 1964 where they drove Daytona Coupe CSX2287 as #10. On the right you can see Ken Miles giving something a pretty intent look and Bob Bondurant is behind him. I don't know who the guy wearing the Team jacket & looking at the photographer is though.

Note the 'can opener hole' that Phil Remington cut into the roof to try to provide some relief from the cockpit heat, and also notice the streams of oil that have blown back from the little holes in the dome of the front clip.

This is another unheralded photograph from the cutting room floor, but it's a pricless moment of history that may never have been seen otherwise:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Photo_Sheet_1a_%28200_dpi%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on April 03, 2015, 05:48:14 AM
Jim talked to Ron Richards of SAAC and got me fixed up & going again - Thanks Guys!

car 26-JD - It did help, and Thank You for doing so! But I thought I would post it here again, in the larger size that doesn't have to be opened like an attachment.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Now, getting back to the excitement I felt when I first saw that image for the first time, I thought, Wow, another unpublished/unseen photograph!

Of course, I immediately recognized Dave MacDonald in his signature 'Cobra' helmet. And there's Bob Holbert looking at him - this is at Sebring in March 1964 where they drove Daytona Coupe CSX2287 as #10. On the right you can see Ken Miles giving something a pretty intent look and Bob Bondurant is behind him. I don't know who the guy wearing the Team jacket & looking at the photographer is though.

Note the 'can opener hole' that Phil Remington cut into the roof to try to provide some relief from the cockpit heat, and also notice the streams of oil that have blown back from the little holes in the dome of the front clip.

This is another unheralded photograph from the cutting room floor, but it's a pricless moment of history that may never have been seen otherwise:


Glad you are back posting.  Chug a Lug   That hole in the roof is crazy! Great picture.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: ChicagoChris on April 03, 2015, 08:20:18 AM
Never knew about the can opener hole before today; very neat. Thanks


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 08, 2015, 12:47:47 AM
Here is Proof Sheet #4. On the back is written: "Haschel - Roll 11 - 64 of 21 March 1964 Sebring 12 Hr. Endurance."

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_%234_%28100_dpi%29.jpg)


On it, we can see a sequence of photos that show Ed Lowther doing a little 'agricultural exploration' with CSX2153.
The pole & palm trees are perilously close, but incredibly, he misses all of them!

The photographer did a fantastic job of catching the whole incident:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4a.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4b.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4c.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4d.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4e.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4f.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: ChicagoChris on April 08, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
Looks like it may have a larger roll bar?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 10, 2015, 12:57:52 AM
Looks like it may have a larger roll bar?

Yes, a very large roll bar . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2153_-_Sebring_3-21-64_-_Ed_Lowther.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 10, 2015, 01:42:45 AM
Here are the remaining Cobra images from Proof Sheet #4:

CSX2259:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4g.jpg)



CSX2287:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4h.jpg)



CSX2260:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4i.jpg)



CSX2301:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_4j.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 14, 2015, 10:01:16 AM
Check out Photo Sheet #2 - upper left corner!

I had never seen this photo of CSX2259 at Sebring '64 anywhere before. It is the best (unpublished, to my knowledge) photograph of it that I've ever seen. I believe the photo below it is of the poorly illuminated Alfa GTZ that Bob Johnson collided with in the 11th hour. The enlarged view of '2259 is a good resolution photo that shows some nice details. You can even read the stickers on the fender, and check out the angle of the windshield!

Also, I found ironic humor in that the photographer has crossed out the Grand Sport Corvette and has written "NO" on it!
You can't make this stuff up . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Photo_Sheet_2_%28100_dpi%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Photo_Sheet_2a_%28200_dpi%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 16, 2015, 08:51:48 AM
Well, I had fun poking a stick at the photographer's red penned, 'X'd out' Corvette Grand Sport on the last photo sheet, but it bit me on this one (Photo Sheet #3). This is an excellent resolution photo of CSX2287 at Sebring, in a large format which would be excellent for cropping to one's taste, except for . . .  the dreaded red pen.

For reasons unknown, he has drawn this red square closely around it, and it really limits the flexibility of what you could do with it.
It's still an awesome photo though, and the hi-res scan of it puts you right inside the cockpit.

Notice the 'can-opener' vent on the roof again:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Photo_Sheet_3_%28100_dpi%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Photo_Sheet_3a_%28200_dpi%29.jpg)  

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Photo_Sheet_3a_%28720_dpi_crop%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on April 16, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
What a magnificent crop & enlargement! Very sharp and clear. You must have a really good scanner.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 16, 2015, 11:55:48 PM
What a magnificent crop & enlargement! Very sharp and clear. You must have a really good scanner.

Steve

Thanks!
AND, I have been tutored by the Grand Master.



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 21, 2015, 09:11:25 AM
Here's the cover of the Daytona, Feb 1965 race program with gorgeous artwork of CSX2287 at the same event in 1964.
What caught my eye immediately was the 1" masking tape that is so well depicted, just the way it was applied in the 1964 photos.
Look at the photo below the cover, you can see how they used pieces of tape to follow the contours of the gaps as best they could.

The infancy of aerodynamics on the Shelby American race cars has always been really interesting to me:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/resized_for_Forum.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/as_found.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: gimpyjoe on April 21, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
 These are beyond terrific !  HeadSpin Especially for a history crazy like me.I saw my first Cobra close -up as a HS. Junior at a SCCA race, Vineland, NJ 1964. R. Penske was there in a Corvette.
Gimpy


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 22, 2015, 08:47:01 AM
Inside this race program are a couple of interesting things - an article about "Carroll Shelby's New Creation" and a great close up detail photo of Tommy Hitchcock's CSX2155 at the 1964 Daytona Continental:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Carroll_Shelbys_Latest_%281965_Daytona_program%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/At_1964_Daytona_Continental_%28CSX2155%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 23, 2015, 09:20:46 AM
In this October 1966 Monterey race program was an article in memory of Ken Miles:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Monterey_GP_-_Oct_14-16%2C_1966.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Monterey_GP_race_program_%28Oct_14-16%2C_1966%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 25, 2015, 07:53:23 AM
In this 1964 Sebring race program are several things of interest:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sebring_-_March_1964.jpg)

I spliced together these portions of the entry list to show the Shelby American entries:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Official_Entry_List_-_Sebring_1964.jpg)

I had never seen this humorous article by John Christy (the Editor of Sports Car Graphic magazine) about the birth of the Cobra.
I found it quite funny & thought you might too. Even the name of the article & the illustration cracks me up:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sebring_March_1964_race_program_-_pg_16.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sebring_March_1964_race_program_-_pg_17.jpg)

COBRA - The Official Car of Sebring 1964:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sebring_March_1964_race_program_-_pg_18.jpg)

And the announcement of the new FORD "GT":

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sebring_-_March_1964_race_program_-_pg_19.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Brent W on April 25, 2015, 08:23:43 PM
Interesting that they listed the street GT350 at 285 hp and the competition model at 300. Was this due to the engine not being dynoed yet?

Great thread!



Inside this race program are a couple of interesting things - an article about "Carroll Shelby's New Creation" and a great close up detail photo of Tommy Hitchcock's CSX2155 at the 1964 Daytona Continental:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Carroll_Shelbys_Latest_%281965_Daytona_program%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/At_1964_Daytona_Continental_%28CSX2155%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 28, 2015, 09:35:29 AM
A couple things in this October 1965 Riverside race program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Times_Grand_Prix_-_Oct_1965.jpg)


Check out the "Yamaha Riverside 60." The rear tire on the Daytona Coupe looks the same size as those on the bike!
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/100_dpi.jpg)

The "Inland Empire" - it sounds like a pretty exotic place doesn't it?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/October_1965_ad.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 29, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
Some Silverstone race programs & images from Jim's collection:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Silverstone_-_May_20%2C_1967.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Silverstone_-_Sept_2%2C_1968.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Silverstone_-_Sept_7%2C_1968.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 30, 2015, 09:38:28 AM
Here's our last Proof Sheet. Handwritten on the back is: #5 Haschel - Roll 8 - 64 Negs - Sebring, Fla 1964

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_%235_%28100_dpi%29.jpg)


Within it are these two images of Dan Gurney driving CSX2259:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_5a.jpg)


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Proof_Sheet_5b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on April 30, 2015, 08:13:38 PM
Fantastic photos!

Thanks Jim and Kieth!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 04, 2015, 10:14:58 AM
You're welcome Rich!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 04, 2015, 10:19:38 AM
Here's a cover of SPORTS CAR illustrating CSX2323 at Targa Florio, 1964.
The illustration seems to show Gurney's dark helmet & goggles, while the photo is of Jerry Grant driving it:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_-_June_1966.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Jerry_Grant___CSX2323_at_Targa_Florio_1964.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 06, 2015, 12:40:33 AM
In this May 1965 USRRC program from Riverside Raceway is this lovely photo of the Robbins twins with a nice street car:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_Raceway_-_May_1965.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/May_1965_Riverside_Raceway_program.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 06, 2015, 09:27:48 AM
George Watters just informed me about a detail I had not noticed in the above photo of the twins - that it was taken at LAX.
Now I see the blast wall in the background.

I must have been distracted . . .

Thanks George!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: ChicagoChris on May 06, 2015, 12:41:39 PM
Wow, they provided their performance specs too!  I was born in the wrong time.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 12, 2015, 09:24:47 AM
This b&w photo of Jerry Titus' Group II Sedan was in the June 1968 Mid-Ohio race program.

The horizontal strips of tape over the lights caught me eye - they're unusual & look kinda' cool.
And the color photograph of it at Daytona in February 1968 gives nice additional detail about its color:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mid-Ohio_program_-_June_1968.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/2-3-68_Daytona_No2_a.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: honker on May 12, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
 I think the light blue # 2 car was the Moffat-Kwech-Follmer entry at Daytona in '68. the caption to the b&w photo from the Mid-Ohio program is incorrect. the red # 1 car was the Titus-Bucknum entry.

honker


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 13, 2015, 01:26:17 AM
honker,

Thanks for the correction about the wrong caption - my knowledge of the FIA Sedans is not very strong.
Not having the driver's names above the doors made that easy to slip by someone like myself!

The photo below nicely shows the two cars you are talking about, I believe:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Shelby_Racing_Company_1968_cars.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 14, 2015, 08:26:44 AM
Paper clipped inside this 1964 Riverside race program was a ticket stub - how often do we see something like that?
So I scanned both sides of the stub - the front side shown here is slightly larger than actual size and then I magnified the back side of it because it had a really nice diagram showing how the track was situated in relation to other roads at that time:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/75_dpi.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/October_11%2C_1964_Riverside_ticket_stub.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Backside_of_October_11%2C_1964_Riverside_ticket_stub.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 14, 2015, 08:34:21 AM
Oh, and it also had this ad that shows the address & phone number of the first HI-PERFORMANCE MOTORS, INC. :

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/October_1964_Times_Grand_Prix_program.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 20, 2015, 09:32:16 AM
This race flag illustration was in an April 1967 Marlboro Speedway program, and the R-Model caught my eye - I recognized it as Mark Donahue's 5R105.
So I added this nice b&w photo of them at Marlboro on 9/26/65 below it.

I had always been curious about the blacked out areas on the photograph, thinking that it was an alteration to the photograph or something, for whatever reason.
But then when I saw this photo in a 1967 race program, I realized the black strips were actually on the car in 1965.
I know that FORD and MD. are blacked out on the quarter panel, and likely the driver's name above the door, but I'm not sure what was above the BP on the fender.

Does anybody know the reason for the 'censorship'?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Marlboro_Speedway_program_-_April_1967.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mark_Donahue_-_5R105__Marlboro_%289-26-65%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Alan on May 20, 2015, 09:17:50 PM
The blackout above BP would be the mechanic's name.  The rear quarter was Archway Ford with Balto, MD underneath.
Not sure why they'd blackout 'Ford' and MD, but I'm guessing the mechanic may have had a change.  One mechanic was George.....don't remember his last name.

Max


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 21, 2015, 12:25:32 AM
OK - Thanks for the feedback


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 21, 2015, 09:22:21 AM
In Jim's 'stuff' was this b&w captioned postcard. It's 3 3/8" x 5" & made of heavy stock.
It shows the Ken Miles/Lloyd Ruby race winning GT/103 at Daytona on 2/28/65.

Then I noticed in my files, that I had the exact same image in color:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/3_37_x_5_postcard.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/GT-103_at_Daytona_%282-28-65%29.jpeg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 27, 2015, 09:01:41 AM
This April 1969 Brands Hatch program uses a photo of P/1075 taken at the previous year's race.
I added a b&w photo of it taken there on 4/7/68: 

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Brands_Hatch_-_April_13%2C_1969.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/P-1075_at_Brands_Hatch_%284-7-68%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 28, 2015, 09:19:17 AM
Jim has this sheet of randomly arranged factory negatives taken at LAX.
If you save this image, you can then rotate it to see the particular negative you want to look at - they're all awesome:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Factory_negatives_at_LAX_%28resized%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on May 28, 2015, 01:06:55 PM
Hope this is OK, here is the (proof) sheet with the up-side-down images rotated...



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on May 28, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
Jim has this sheet of randomly arranged factory negatives taken at LAX.
If you save this image, you can then rotate it to see the particular negative you want to look at - they're all awesome:


Wow, they are awesome!  Chug a Lug  For the concours people, I see some marking on the front frame rail.  ;)

If they are negatives, perhaps high quality prints could be made to help preserve the images?

Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 28, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
Hope this is OK, here is the (proof) sheet with the up-side-down images rotated...

Of course it's OK - Thanks for posting!
Did you rotate the individual upside-down images to make them all the same?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on May 29, 2015, 06:24:09 AM
Did you rotate the individual upside-down images to make them all the same?
Yes, that's what I did...just thought it would make it easier/quicker.

Thanks to Jim and you for doing this.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 02, 2015, 09:03:49 AM
There weren't any Shelby American entries in the 1963 GRAND PRIX OF THE UNITED STATES, but it's a pretty cool race program nonetheless:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_October_6%2C_1963.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on June 03, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
honker,

Thanks for the correction about the wrong caption - my knowledge of the FIA Sedans is not very strong.
Not having the driver's names above the doors made that easy to slip by someone like myself!

The photo below nicely shows the two cars you are talking about, I believe:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Shelby_Racing_Company_1968_cars.jpg)

Thanks for posting these two large photos from the T/A race at Daytona in early '68! I also like that checked flag photo of 5r105 that was in the April 67 Marlboro program! Great stuff here as always!
 Chug a Lug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 04, 2015, 01:27:40 AM
Thanks for posting these two large photos from the T/A race at Daytona in early '68! I also like that checked flag photo of 5r105 that was in the April 67 Marlboro program! Great stuff here as always!
 Chug a Lug

I thought you would like that R-Model photo, richstang!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 04, 2015, 09:18:55 AM
Here's one of two similar brochures - this one is about Le Mans, the other one is about Sports Cars.
There's no date on them and the Mustang GT fender badge is interesting in that it's on both of them.
In this one is a nice image of P/1012 at the 1966 Le Mans Trials:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Winner_At_LeMans_a.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Winner_at_LeMans_b.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Winner_At_LeMans_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on June 04, 2015, 09:31:07 AM
I thought you would like that R-Model photo, richstang!

Of course I would!

I've been meaning to ask you about your avatar photo.
Is that a vintage picture of a '66 Black Hertz in front of the LAX office buidling by the gate?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 04, 2015, 09:48:56 AM
I've been meaning to ask you about your avatar photo.
Is that a vintage picture of a '66 Black Hertz in front of the LAX office buidling by the gate?

Indeed it is, good eye!

It's a small (3 1/4" x 4 1/2") and really bad quality original LAX photograph that I found somewhere (I don't recall where).
But it worked very nice when I shrunk it down to the small avatar size and it looks quite good there.

Hopefully you can find a large, good quality version of this for me somewhere - I'll trade you some R-Model stuff for it!
I think that's a pretty rare LAX Hertz car photo actually . . .


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on June 04, 2015, 10:02:04 AM
Indeed it is, good eye!

It's a small (3 1/4" x 4 1/2") and really bad quality original LAX photograph that I found somewhere (I don't recall where).
But it worked very nice when I shrunk it down to the small avatar size and it looks quite good there.

Hopefully you can find a large, good quality version of this for me somewhere - I'll trade you some R-Model stuff for it!
I think that's a pretty rare LAX Hertz car photo actually . . .

Very cool! I'll have to keep my eye out for it in a larger size. Maybe someone else here has a better copy they can share with us.
(I thought we covered all the R models? Then again, you did surprise me with the 5r105 checkered flag photo)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 09, 2015, 09:10:53 AM
An 'Entry List & Scorecard' from Brands Hatch (actual size):

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Brands_Hatch_-_April_13%2C_1969~0.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 16, 2015, 08:50:40 AM
Here is a (unfortunately) low resolution image of an interesting item, the SHELBY-COBRA helmet.

As the address for it is at 901 N. Sepulveda Boulevard, it must have been available circa 1966-67, at Hi-Performance Motors' second dealership in El Segundo:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/1967_Shelby_Cobra_helmet.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 16, 2015, 10:00:38 AM
In the June 22-23, 1963 Riverside race program is this ad for DOWNTOWN FORD in Los Angeles.
They have "2 Cobra Demos . . . Available at cost!  Save $$$"

It has a nice image of Dave MacDonald & CSX2026 at Dodger Stadium in March 1963 - check out the front tire/fender clearance!
I added a better color photo of it below the ad:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Downtown_Ford%2C_Los_Angeles_%28June_1963_ad%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2026_at_Dodger_Stadium_%28March_63%29.jpeg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 16, 2015, 10:06:16 AM
Oh, and a ticket stub from the Divisional Championship Races at Riverside on June 22-23, 1963:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/June_22-23%2C_1963_Riverside_stub.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6S1568 on June 16, 2015, 11:00:16 AM
Keith, I can't thank you enough for sharing the photos! You're making history come alive for those of us who are interested. I keep checking the blog to see if you posted any new stuff and I'm always delighted to find you latest addition. Denny


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 17, 2015, 09:11:34 AM
Denny - How about this?

There was a small racing newspaper (20 cents per copy!) printed in Seattle that was "Serving the Pacific Northwest" called NORTHWEST ROD NEWS.
Naturally there was a lot of coverage from the local race track, Pacific Raceways in Kent.

In the Vol. 3, No.8 issue (August 1963) were a few Cobra snippets, which I've attached here:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Northwest_Rod_News_-_Aug_1963_a.jpg)

And Ken 'honking' in CSX2129:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Northwest_Rod_News_-_Aug_1963_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6S1568 on June 17, 2015, 04:39:26 PM
Keith, That's a really neat old newspaper article, thanks for sharing. What's most remarkable to me, is the photo above that post, where in color you see the red Cobra #98 on the track, just behind the Cobra in the parking lot, you'll see my 1960 Plymouth Valiant in the background. Well, not mine, but I had a white one just like it.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 18, 2015, 01:01:54 AM
Here's a couple of photos from the September 1963 issue of NORTHWEST ROD NEWS.

And watch out for that "rough guy" at the bottom:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Northwest_Rod_News_-_Sept_1963.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on June 18, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Great stuff as usual!  Chug a Lug

Looks like Dave is hard into it by the body stance in the color photo. Almost comes to life.  ;)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 24, 2015, 12:56:42 AM
Check out this August 24, 1965 Shelby American blueprint outlining the reworking of the rotors for the Competition cars.

Like Jim says: "It's cool to see what they tried to do to keep those R-Models going."


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/R-Model_Rotor_Rework_%288-24-65%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 24, 2015, 10:23:35 AM
The race program from the 1st Stardust Grand Prix:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Stardust_Grand_Prix_-_Nov_1965.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 30, 2015, 10:37:10 AM
The photo below this race program is of Dan Gurney with the car he drove at this race:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/LA_Times_Grand_Prix_-_October_1963.jpg)


                                   CSX2127 - October 13, 1963:
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Gurney_with_CSX2127_%2810-13-63%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on June 30, 2015, 11:46:16 AM
Great photo of DG! The five Cobras that competed in that race all in a row! If anyone has good photos of the red Cobra in this lineup I would really like to see them.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 07, 2015, 09:43:57 AM
Check out these actual 1966 dash plaques from our home track, Elkhart Lake.

I scanned them larger than actual size to show some detail, but their actual size is 1 3/4" x 3 3/8".

They're really nicely made pieces using heavy brass stock and are the the first ones I've ever seen:


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/RA_June_Sprints_1966.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Road_America_500_1966.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 08, 2015, 09:22:47 AM
And speaking of Elkhart Lake, Jim discovered these stickers in his Father's desk when he was cleaning it out.
Bob Cowles did Tech Inspections at Road America back in the day.

I scanned them at actual size, 3" x 3":

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/1964_Road_America_Tech_sticker.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/1965_Road_America_Tech_sticker.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 08, 2015, 10:47:28 PM
Nothing Shelby American in here, just a neat 1965 race program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mid-Ohio_-_July_1965.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on July 09, 2015, 08:03:56 AM
Check out these actual 1966 dash plaques from our home track, Elkhart Lake.

I scanned them larger than actual size to show some detail, but their actual size is 1 3/4" x 3 3/8".

They're really nicely made pieces using heavy brass stock and are the the first ones I've ever seen:


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/RA_June_Sprints_1966.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Road_America_500_1966.jpg)

Thanks for your continued posts, Kieth. These dash plaques are amazing to see, never mind bieng in such perfect condition!
Would anyone know what the black circles in and around the roadcourse indicate?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 09, 2015, 10:21:26 AM
richstang,

They denote the numbered corners and the sections of the track that have names, as shown here:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/roadamerica.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on July 09, 2015, 07:31:44 PM
Thanks SFM66H,

I figured the turns were the outer points, but a few of the inside points raised my question.
(That lower left point in particular around the north paddack area)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 10, 2015, 12:56:05 AM
This Contra Costa Grand Prix race program had some good Shelby American stuff in it - too bad pages 17 thru 20 were missing.
It has some good photos of the ex-Ed Leslie LeMans Replica (CSX2136) in May 1965 when it was raced at Laguna Seca by Foster Alexander.

The third photo below is only the top half of page 27 (the bottom half had been cut out) - I sure would like to have seen what was removed!

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Contra_Costa_Grand_Prix_-_April_1966_a.jpg)


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Contra_Costa_Grand_Prix_-_April_1966_b.jpg)


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Contra_Costa_Grand_Prix_-_April_1966_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on July 10, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
Question: How can a Corvette win a race against a Cobra?

Answer: Ram the Cobra and try to eliminate the competition.

Ha, ha!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on July 10, 2015, 07:58:11 PM
That's no way to start a race!  :o


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 06 GT on July 10, 2015, 09:37:40 PM
My first visit. I had looked at the title but not which forum it was in - I'll have to pay closer attention next time.
The pages of photos are called contact sheets. There are generally 3 sizes of negatives 35mm, 120 (2 1/4" x 2 1/4" or 2 1/2") and 4"x5" from the big old clunky press cameras. The negatives are placed on a sheet of print paper, covered with glass and exposed/developed. Color sheets are very rare. Most magazines at that time only used color for covers. They were always shot on 120 or 4x5 positive (like slides) film and looked at directly. The contact sheets go to the editor who picks the pictures to use in the article. The red markings on the Coupe picture is how it is to be cropped and the note 2 col means it's to be printed 2 columns wide. The Xed out Vette just means they decided not to publish that picture. The coding - "Haschel - Roll 11 - 64 of 21 March 1964 Sebring 12 Hr. Endurance." - is the photographer Haschel (now you need to find out where his photo credits were published so you know where the sheets came from) Roll 11 - 64 means it is roll #11 out of 64 that he shot at the 1964 Sebring 12 hr.
Now I need to find the 10 or so sheets I scavanenged from Petersen Publishing when they threw out their archives, they're all Shelby stuff. They might be in the boxes of unread magazines I also picked up. They just threw all the contact sheets away. The negatives got sold to a silver recovery company and the magazines were put out in the photo studio and the employees got to go in and grab what they wanted. I got all the Sports Car Graphics and all the Hot Rods I knew Shelbys were in. Once I retire I'll put em on eBay.

I think I found out a little about Haschel:C.V. Haschel: Originally from Winamac, IN, the Indy based Haschel began shooting at a track in Logansport, IN in 1932. Eventually settling on Leica equipment (he did experiment early-on with a Photon camera with a windup motor), Haschel's mostly open cockpit, 35mm, black & white work covers almost all Midwest action during the 1950's and 60's. He and his pal Ray Mann, publisher of Racing Pictorial during the 1950's & 60's, did shoot the Daytona 500 each year. Haschel, who worked at Naval Avionics, was a staff photographer for many years for NSSN (beginning in 1956) and his work was frequently published therein. His career began to tail off in the 70's. According to Haschel, he sold his negatives to a Joel Finn. However, his negatives are believed to have become a part of the Bruce Craig collection. Haschel died at age 90 in 2005.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 13, 2015, 10:33:10 PM
06 GT,

Wow, a lot of good information - Thanks for the feedback and taking the time to offer it.

Kieth



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 13, 2015, 10:58:07 PM
Also in this Contra Costa race program was this ad for Jorgensen Ford Sales, featuring a GT40 MKII production racing coupe.
I would have bought mine there had I known that I could have gotten service (before each race!) after I got an honest deal on it to begin with.

The unique vents above the front clip latches tell me that the MKII in the ad is P/1016 as it was raced at Daytona 1966 by Richie Ginther & Ronnie Bucknum:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Contra_Costa_Grand_Prix_-_April_1966_d.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/P-1016_at_Daytona_1966_%28Ginther-Bucknum%29.jpeg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 17, 2015, 12:58:35 AM
The inside back cover of this race program had this well known Castrol ad featuring a Daytona Coupe, but I don't ever recall seeing it in black & white before.

It's an illustration of CSX2601 at Nurburgring in May 1965.
On the photo I added below it, note the Firestone tires!
That's CSX2602 in the background and it was shod with Firestones too:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Contra_Costa_Grand_Prix_-_April_1966_e.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2601_at_Nurburgring_1965.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on July 17, 2015, 01:40:43 AM
I always knew there was a reason I preferred Castrol. Ha, ha!

And thanks for pointing out the tires on CSX2601 & CSX2602. I had been feeling a little odd about putting Firestones on my ’66 GT350. When I made that decision, those particular tires seemed like the best compromise between price, performance and looks for my purposes. But it felt a little odd putting Firestones on a Shelby. I guess if they’re good enough for the Daytona Coupes they’re good enough for my little cream puff.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 17, 2015, 09:03:26 AM
Steve,

I agree, I was really taken aback seeing Firestones on a couple of Shelby American Team Cars during The Championship Year.
Here's an even better photo of the tires on CSX2602:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2602_-_Nurburgring_1965_-_Jack_Sears.jpg)

So print these photos out & carry them in your glove compartment - you now have historical credibility on your side!

Kieth



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on July 17, 2015, 12:02:22 PM
Kieth, you really are the K.O.P. - King Of Pictures.

Thanks,
Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: honker on July 17, 2015, 12:39:38 PM
Kieth, back story on the Daytonas with Firestones, Alan mann from England was running the Shelby team effort in Europe that year. at the Nurburgring may 23rd 1965, the two coupes were driven by Bondurant-Neerpasch &  the other by Sears-Gardner. in practice the team tested both Firestones & Goodyears, the cars were three seconds a lap faster on the Firestones, the Goodyears were a new tire for this race, so the decision was made to go with Firestones. good decision as the Bondurant car won it's class. the Cobras won the GT championship that year. Ford's first ever world championship title in motorsport.
I got this information from two books.

Alan Mann "a life of chance" the story of the fabulous racing fords by Alan Mann & Tony Dron pub. 2012

The Cobra-Ferrari Wars by Michael L. Shoen pub. 1988

I would recommend both these books.

Mike (honker) in Canada


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 17, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
Mike (honker),

Thanks for the story behind these great photos.

I have 'The Cobra-Ferrari Wars' but not the Alan Mann book - it sounds like a great read.
I'm so busy with the photos that I get behind on the text!

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 68countrysedan on July 17, 2015, 06:31:44 PM
Added Firestone racing tire fyi

According to John Horsman's book, Racing in the Rain, when J.W. Automotive Engineering Ltd. was formed in 1967, John Wyer contacted Fred Gamble at Goodyear to get tire support for the team. Gamble was hesitant since Ford considered the GT40 program terminated. Gamble then consulted Carroll Shelby. His astute opinion was that the GT40 and John Wyer were both obsolete. Gamble agreed. Wyer then contacted Firestone's Ron Martin and the rest is JWAE history.

Horsman adds that years later Gamble told him that he regretted his decision. 


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 21, 2015, 09:12:17 AM
MORE good background information on this subject - Thanks, 68countrysedan!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 21, 2015, 09:18:48 AM
This nice artwork appears on the 2015 Shelby American Collection Annual Party Invite that arrived in my mailbox recently.

In celebration of the 50th anniversary of Shelby American winning the 1965 FIA International Championship of GT Manufacturers, it depicts Bob Bondurant in CSX2345 at The Rossfeld Hillclimb in Germany on June 13,1965:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Bondurant___CSX2345_%282015_SAC_Invite%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 68countrysedan on July 21, 2015, 09:39:03 AM
MORE good background information on this subject - Thanks, 68countrysedan!

Thank you.

I have to add an addendum due to a typo. Shelby's "astute" opinion regarding the GT40 and John Wyer being obsolete, I should have included (not) after astute.

As Mark Twain once said/wrote, a word can make the difference between lightning and lightning bug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 21, 2015, 09:47:22 AM
Here's another beautiful brass dash plaque from Road America.
This 1965 version is really interesting in that it has a real 'Old West' look to it due to the style of font that was chosen:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Road_America_500_-_1965.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 21, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
This is a 2" dia. metal clasp button for a Driver in the 1964 Cascade Grand Prix.
I don't have any knowledge/info about this race, but I'm guessing that it was in the Pacific Northwest - perhaps at Pacific Raceways in Kent, WA?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/1964_Cascade_Grand_Prix_button.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 22, 2015, 08:34:22 AM
A couple more dash plaques from east coast tracks that Shelby American cars raced at:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/1964_-_Cumberland___Marlboro.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 22, 2015, 09:26:00 AM
In this September 1966 Mid-America Raceways program was this ad for Yates-Stevens Ford.
I scanned the ad large for you guys that have cars that came from there:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mid-America_Raceways_-_Sept_1966_a.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Yates-Stevens_Ford_%28Sept_1966%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 22, 2015, 11:37:37 AM
1964 Laguna Seca


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on July 22, 2015, 11:24:47 PM
In this September 1966 Mid-America Raceways program was this ad for Yates-Stevens Ford.
I scanned the ad large for you guys that have cars that came from there:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mid-America_Raceways_-_Sept_1966_a.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Yates-Stevens_Ford_%28Sept_1966%29.jpg)

Cool stuff.

"Your ahead with a FORD!" What a hoot! Looks like their advertising department could use a proof reader.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 23, 2015, 02:23:39 AM
A hoot indeed!
I wouldn't have focused on that gaffe myself if the illustration had been of a GT350 instead of a regular Mustang!

This program also had this photo of Mack Yates (of Yates-Stevens Ford) with his Cobra.
I can't tell for sure, but I'll guess that it's CSX2385, a USRRC cutback-door car that he got from Shelby American in May of 1964.

Kranky would know, and he also likely knows the ID of the #48 Cobra in the background:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mid-America_Raceways_-_Sept_1966_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: KRANKY on July 23, 2015, 08:00:41 AM
#48 is REL Hayes in his Cobra, 2017.  I can't tell which track it is but it might be Independence, Ks.  Yes, it's Mack Yates in his Cobra....2385.

Kranky


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 23, 2015, 09:19:36 PM
Thanks Kranky!

I've always liked this photo of Robert E. Lee Hayes winning the Badger 200 at Elkhart Lake with CSX2017 on Sept 7, 1963.
That red is just gorgeous and the car is so early and clean and tasteful with those side pipes and those wheels and no side vents:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2017_-_Robert_E__Lee_Hayes_%289-7-63%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 23, 2015, 09:43:35 PM
1963 Cumberland driver button...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 24, 2015, 01:52:22 PM
1963 Sebring, even has the Texaco station stamp where it was given out at...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 24, 2015, 05:57:03 PM
Probably not many of these around...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 24, 2015, 05:59:34 PM
Maybe very few of these....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 24, 2015, 06:01:25 PM
A little earlier....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on July 24, 2015, 06:22:18 PM
Guys, Thanks for posting all of these, great stuff!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 24, 2015, 06:31:56 PM
1964 Sebring ticket....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 25, 2015, 07:18:26 AM
1965 LA Times / Riverside...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 25, 2015, 07:29:07 AM
Peter Jopp's "Pilote" pin issued when he drove with Ed Hugus during the 1963 "24 hours of LeMans" race, the first year the Cobras attended...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 25, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
1966 LeMans....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on July 26, 2015, 08:26:42 AM
Added Firestone racing tire fyi

According to John Horsman's book, Racing in the Rain, when J.W. Automotive Engineering Ltd. was formed in 1967, John Wyer contacted Fred Gamble at Goodyear to get tire support for the team. Gamble was hesitant since Ford considered the GT40 program terminated. Gamble then consulted Carroll Shelby. His astute opinion was that the GT40 and John Wyer were both obsolete. Gamble agreed. Wyer then contacted Firestone's Ron Martin and the rest is JWAE history.

Horsman adds that years later Gamble told him that he regretted his decision. 

I've noticed Firestone tires on numerous vintage photos of the Ford GT MK IV including the development style buck from late '66, at the '67 Lemans trials, and in the NY Auto Show display in '68 (or '69).

Also, you guys have been posting some fantastic track memorabilia items. Thanks for sharing them!









Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 26, 2015, 12:08:08 PM
Lister Jaguar?!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 26, 2015, 12:13:24 PM
Driving school....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on July 27, 2015, 03:59:02 AM
Great stuff, shelrace! And just to you’ll know – lots of members view these posts, but very few comment. So don’t get discouraged if you don’t get constant feedback. We’re out here and we appreciate your efforts.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on July 27, 2015, 07:37:21 AM
shelrace,

I agree, you have a lot of memorabilia and I really enjoy seeing it too - Thanks.

The downside is that several of them open up as a 'dreaded black box' because they're posted as attachments, so I'm not able to view them at all.
When that happens, I try to open them up on different computers at work, and they're the same black box there - so I'm guessing others here are having the same problem?

But I like the ones I have been able to see!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 27, 2015, 09:00:55 AM
I do not know how to fix the "black box" issue unfortunately.

1965 LeMans...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 27, 2015, 09:02:49 AM
1966 LeMans....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 27, 2015, 09:13:40 AM
1964 Vaca Valley...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 27, 2015, 09:23:37 AM
You have probably seen the usual "Dan Gurney for President" bumper stickers but how many have seen this version? This came right from a SAI mechanics stash...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on July 27, 2015, 09:43:34 AM
I did see this one signed behind the Seneca Lounge bar Near Watkins Glen...

Great stuff you are showing - THANKS.



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 27, 2015, 09:54:13 AM
Cool beans, I stand corrected there are more out there!
Here's one of my favorites, again from an original SAI team member. You can see these hammers in most any of the pit photos...this hammer is documented as have been used on, CSX2287 (Daytona Coupe), CSX2301 (FIA), CSX2323 (FIA) as well as GT40P 1015, GT40P 1047 and the 1967 LeMans test MKIV J3...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 27, 2015, 10:51:50 AM
1964 Times Grand Prix...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on July 27, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
1964 Vaca Valley....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 05, 2015, 02:22:36 AM
In this September 1967 Elkhart Lake race program was this ad for NorthWestern Ford in Milwaukee.

Hey, they'll only make a little profit on you . . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Elkhart_Lake_-_Sept_1967.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sept_1967_Elkhart_Lake_race_program.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 05, 2015, 02:35:56 AM
In a small midwestern trades newspaper was this May 1966 ad for Dick Walters Ford in Des Moines, Iowa:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Dick_Walters_Ford_-_May_1966.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on August 05, 2015, 09:26:55 AM


"SPECIAL QUICK-RESPONSE RACK AND PINION STEERING" ?!?!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: acman63 on August 05, 2015, 10:18:16 AM
Brian Williams wrote that


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 06, 2015, 01:48:43 AM
Brian Williams wrote that
       
            ;D


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 06, 2015, 01:55:52 AM
The NEW "COBRA KITS" are announced in this January 1964 issue of Ford's Merchandising News.

Also shown is a nice photo of Phil Hill & CSX2127 at Sebring on March 23, 1963:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/New_Cobra_Kits_%28January_1964%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on August 06, 2015, 06:24:04 AM
Being an XR7-G owner I'm a big Gurney fan (not to mention the fact that he is a great driver and race team owner, etc.).

I've got that Gurney bumper sticker also and in my experience it is pretty scarce.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 06, 2015, 08:56:34 AM
I'm not exactly sure what this is, as it's "Not Good For Gate Or Grandstand Admission" (a Pit Pass maybe?) but it's a 3 1/4" x 5 1/2" card from Watkins Glen in August 1966.

I recognize 5R098 up front and I'm quite sure that's CSX2043 following:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_August_1966.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: honker on August 06, 2015, 12:46:28 PM
Being an XR7-G owner I'm a big Gurney fan (not to mention the fact that he is a great driver and race team owner, etc.).

I've got that Gurney bumper sticker also and in my experience it is pretty scarce.

- Phillip

Phillip, that is a cool sticker ! I have one of the Dan Gurney for president buttons.  I think that photo is taken in 1970. (is the second cougar a '70 ?) Hulme has gloves on, he burned his hands at Indy in a testing accident. then when Bruce Mclaren was killed in a testing crash just before the first Can-Am, Hulme carried the team to the championship. Gurney won the 1st two races for them, then got into a conflict and left after the third race because he was sponsored by Castrol in the Indy & Trans-Am series, and the Mclarens had Gulf support

Mike (honker)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on August 06, 2015, 01:52:20 PM
Very cool info Mike - thanks  Chug a Lug

Yeah, Gurney and Hulme are riding in a '69 Cougar but you can see a '70 right behind them, so that is interesting.

Here is another photo of Dan with a '69 Cobra Jet Cougar along with a vintage Gurney Cougar decal.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 11, 2015, 09:34:17 AM
Very recently, Jim was trying to acquire this race program because, as he said: ”It had a Cobra on the cover, and I had never seen this one before.”

Well, that was good enough for me. But when was the last time you heard about a Race Course in Courtland, Alabama? Me neither. But it had a Cobra on the cover!

When he received it, he emailed me: “That Courtland, Alabama race program is loaded with Shelby and Cobra stuff - an actual ad for a dealer with a pic of an R Model.”

Huh? I asked him about that dealer ad, and he said he had never seen anything like that. And I had never even heard of anything like that.

When I went out there to check it out, I saw all the cool Cobra stuff, but then remembered the R-Model dealer ad he had mentioned.
So I started looking for it, and when I found the ad we just looked at each other and said, “Holy S _ _t, that looks like '0 _ _!” It was a photograph neither of us had ever seen before.

So we scrambled for a Registry to look for some clues & dates, and found enough in there to be sure that we knew what we were looking at.
We just couldn't believe it and immediately began to wonder if the owner of this R-Model had ever seen this photograph before.
The more we talked about it, the more we thought (hoped) that he had never seen it, and how cool it would be to surprise him with it.

So I thought about how to do that, and came up with a 'bait & switch' plan. I emailed the owner just this scan of the cover, and asked him if he had this program, or had ever seen or heard of it.

Can you imagine how I felt when he replied: “I've never seen it but I know of the races at Courtland. My R-Model won B/P at the Heart of Dixie Nationals 5/30/65. This July race was a Regional.”

I called Jim and said, “Jimmy, we got him!”

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________


Then I emailed HOWARD PARDEE back and said: “You better sit down...”

(to be continued...)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_a.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: honker on August 11, 2015, 07:03:45 PM
phillip, thanks for that pic of Gurney in the Cobra Jet Cougar, and the decal ! could you repost that pic of Dan in the car ? when I click it, I get the black box  :(


Mike (Honker)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on August 12, 2015, 04:32:43 AM
Sure Mike - click on it and copy it onto your hard drive before too many people view it.

It seems when a photo is sized towards the upper limits of what's allowed on this site there are only a limited amount of times it can be viewed before the "black box" appears.

I scanned that out of one of my original racing programs - can't remember which one off the top of my head.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on August 12, 2015, 07:04:47 AM
Very recently, Jim was trying to acquire this race program because, as he said: ”It had a Cobra on the cover, and I had never seen this one before.”

Well, that was good enough for me. But when was the last time you heard about a Race Course in Courtland, Alabama? Me neither. But it had a Cobra on the cover!

When he received it, he emailed me: “That Courtland, Alabama race program is loaded with Shelby and Cobra stuff - an actual ad for a dealer with a pic of an R Model.”

Huh? I asked him about that dealer ad, and he said he had never seen anything like that. And I had never even heard of anything like that.

When I went out there to check it out, I saw all the cool Cobra stuff, but then remembered the R-Model dealer ad he had mentioned.
So I started looking for it, and when I found the ad we just looked at each other and said, “Holy S _ _t, that looks like '0 _ _!” It was a photograph neither of us had ever seen before.

So we scrambled for a Registry to look for some clues & dates, and found enough in there to be sure that we knew what we were looking at.
We just couldn't believe it and immediately began to wonder if the owner of this R-Model had ever seen this photograph before.
The more we talked about it, the more we thought (hoped) that he had never seen it, and how cool it would be to surprise him with it.

So I thought about how to do that, and came up with a 'bait & switch' plan. I emailed the owner just this scan of the cover, and asked him if he had this program, or had ever seen or heard of it.

Can you imagine how I felt when he replied: “I've never seen it but I know of the races at Courtland. My R-Model won B/P at the Heart of Dixie Nationals 5/30/65. This July race was a Regional.”

I called Jim and said, “Jimmy, we got him!”

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________


Then I emailed HOWARD PARDEE back and said: “You better sit down...”

(to be continued...)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_a.jpg)

 pcorn
I haven't met Howard (yet) but, I'd imagine anyone seeing a photo of their car from 50 years ago would be thrilled. Looking forward to part II!

ps, kind of funny to see a Ford Lotus with a GM banner above it. (I know it stands for Grand Marshal)
edit 8/14/15 "GM" was the class it raced in "G Modified", per Kranky's post a few below this one.  :-[


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SunDude on August 12, 2015, 07:37:15 AM
pcorn
I haven't met Howard (yet) but, I'd imagine anyone seeing a photo of their car from 50 years ago would be thrilled. Looking forward to part II!

ps, kind of funny to see a Ford Lotus with a GM banner above it. (I know it stands for Grand Marshal)

I can do you one better...

Check out the cover art for this music album, published by GM's Cadillac division.  Now, why on earth did they choose to feature the Ford GT40 prototype on the cover...??

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10995357_850451111658367_1087883561506086171_n.jpg?oh=1abea6e8e3ad7d3576b9fcd69e3e468a&oe=567B1C60)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 12, 2015, 09:19:12 AM
Very recently, Jim was trying to acquire this race program because, as he said: ”It had a Cobra on the cover, and I had never seen this one before.”

Well, that was good enough for me. But when was the last time you heard about a Race Course in Courtland, Alabama? Me neither. But it had a Cobra on the cover!

When he received it, he emailed me: “That Courtland, Alabama race program is loaded with Shelby and Cobra stuff - an actual ad for a dealer with a pic of an R Model.”

Huh? I asked him about that dealer ad, and he said he had never seen anything like that. And I had never even heard of anything like that.

When I went out there to check it out, I saw all the cool Cobra stuff, but then remembered the R-Model dealer ad he had mentioned.
So I started looking for it, and when I found the ad we just looked at each other and said, “Holy S _ _t, that looks like '0 _ _!” It was a photograph neither of us had ever seen before.

So we scrambled for a Registry to look for some clues & dates, and found enough in there to be sure that we knew what we were looking at.
We just couldn't believe it and immediately began to wonder if the owner of this R-Model had ever seen this photograph before.
The more we talked about it, the more we thought (hoped) that he had never seen it, and how cool it would be to surprise him with it.

So I thought about how to do that, and came up with a 'bait & switch' plan. I emailed the owner just this scan of the cover, and asked him if he had this program, or had ever seen or heard of it.

Can you imagine how I felt when he replied: “I've never seen it but I know of the races at Courtland. My R-Model won B/P at the Heart of Dixie Nationals 5/30/65. This July race was a Regional.”

I called Jim and said, “Jimmy, we got him!”

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________


Then I emailed HOWARD PARDEE back and said: “You better sit down...”

(to be continued...)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_a.jpg)



(continued...)



And here is - 'The Photo'. Isn't that something? 5R095 was only a month old here. This was taken on Memorial weekend at the Heart of Dixie Nationals race at Courtland Air Base. I think it's amazing that Ben Warren purchased the car on 4/30/65 and that it won the first race it entered, exactly one month later, on 5/30/65! What are the odds of being able to surprise Howard Pardee with a 50 year old photo of his car that he had never seen before? And that the photo would be of it at it's first race, and it's first race win? It's mind boggling to me.

Howard adds that long ago he had obtained the 1965 & '66 Memorial Day race programs from Courtland, and that they are the only ones he has ever seen. In the '65 program was the entry list that showed Ben Warren, but there were no photos of his car. Later, he got the results of the races from Competition Press which reported that Warren had finished 1st in B/P. And that there was nothing in the 1966 program. 'The Photo' only serendipitously showed up in the July Courtland race program, two months after this photo was taken in May.
 
I'd like to add a couple of things here. I feel that all members really appreciate everything that Howard does for us and our cars. It's a very rare opportunity to be lucky enough to fall into a position to be able to give a little something back to him. And having a place like the SAAC Forum to share this with everyone is very special too.

The irony of the fact that this photo then surfaced in Green Bay, which is where he purchased the car in 1983, just makes my head spin. This has been the most amazing and fun thing I have ever experienced since I joined SAAC in 1975.

Well deserved Howard!


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: acman63 on August 12, 2015, 09:25:25 AM
if I recall  I put some mufflers on this before they left  and as they were driving this back  and I told them not to speed in Sheboygan county (where Road America is located)    think the ticket matched the car serial number  Camera


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on August 12, 2015, 10:34:24 AM
Super photo and amazing story. I know Howard was thrilled to get this. Thanks for sharing both the picture and the journey with us on the forum.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 13, 2015, 01:24:13 AM
There are several more photos from this race program that I'll post, and here's another very noteworthy one.
5R095 can be partially seen in the background, with the Courtland Air Base race course also visible.

Howard mentioned that there are TWO R-Model drivers in this photo! Ben Warren is in his car and Roger West is in the MGB. Roger bought 5R538.

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Computerworks on August 13, 2015, 08:36:21 AM
Mod Note...

The original intention of this thread was to share items that are destined for the Shelby American Collection.
All these items posted are eventually going in the Museum archives after they are scanned.

Please refrain from posting off-topic items on this thread unless they are being donated to the Collection.
The many extra posts are still interesting and appreciated, but they should be made on another thread.

Thanks
Ron
SAAC Forum Admin


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on August 13, 2015, 10:39:18 AM
oops - the Gurney stuff got me all a titter.

A big thanks to SFM66H for this thread and the other history related threads.

This stuff is just gold and it takes a lot of time to organize, type and post  Chug a Lug

- Phillip



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 14, 2015, 02:02:01 AM
Check out Miss Confederate Grand Prix - 1965.  W O W ! indeed.
 
She was also on the far left of the cover photo with the Cobra:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: ALF on August 14, 2015, 06:11:09 AM
I did see this one signed behind the Seneca Lounge bar Near Watkins Glen...

And I've one at home  HeadSpin


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: KRANKY on August 14, 2015, 07:06:18 AM
I'm sure that Richstang is just joking, but the "GM" on the Lotus Ford stands for "G" modified and the "HM" stands for "H" modified on the #62 sports racer in the background.

Kranky


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 17, 2015, 08:23:40 AM
(July 1965 Confederate Grand Prix race program continued . . .)

I think this is a photo of CSX2129 when owned/raced by Graham Shaw in 1964, but I'm not sure of the location.
Possibly VIR, Cumberland or Bridgehampton?

KRANKY - I used your Road Racing list to get this far, but can you please confirm the car, driver & location for us?

Thanks,
Kieth

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_e.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on August 17, 2015, 08:36:17 AM
(July 1965 Confederate Grand Prix race program continued . . .)

I think this is a photo of CSX2129 when owned/raced by Graham Shaw in 1964, but I'm not sure of the location.
Possibly VIR, Cumberland or Bridgehampton?

KRANKY - I used your Road Racing list to get this far, but can you please confirm the car, driver & location for us?

Thanks,
Kieth

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_e.jpg)

Hey Kieth,
That is definitely Bridgehampton. I recognize that background. Looking through my folders I found the same photo from the REVS (Stanford) site.
csx2129 5/31/64 Bridgehampton SCCA Nationals

Kranky's "Road Race" list is just awesome!!!!
 Chug a Lug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 17, 2015, 09:41:06 AM
Excellent - Thanks richstang!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 18, 2015, 08:28:05 AM
A "Leacherous old man" (those 1960's captions!) is in this race program with a pretty hot Cobra - #45 with a stripe across the top of the nose.

It also has has 5-spoke American knockoffs (with Firestones), Belanger headers and a hood scoop.

KRANKY - can you help us ID the car & the driver?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_f.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 19, 2015, 08:46:13 AM
Here's the last two things of interest in the July 1965 Confederate Grand Prix race program - sorry I forgot to note the name of the guy sitting on the Cobra.
He was in some capacity at the Courtland race course or in the Alabama Region SCCA I believe:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_g.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_h.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: KR Convertible on August 19, 2015, 08:55:40 AM
Hope he didn't dent the aluminum with his boney butt!    Hysterical


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 21, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
Here's a rare photo of CSX2299 at Le Mans '64 that I had never seen before - with its fog lamps on, during the day!
It was in an obscure 1973 book by Brad King, titled: 'all color book of Racing Cars'

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2299_fog_lamps_on_at_1964_Le_Mans.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: KRANKY on August 21, 2015, 09:32:36 PM
I'd have to say that this is Paul Wood and his Cobra (2448).....hard to tell the exact colors from a black and white photo, but his Cobra is Maroon with gold accents (nose stripe and roll bar)....the same colors that he ran on his Formula Vee.  Any idea on the venue or the date?

Kranky

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Confederate_GP_Race_Program_-_July_1965_f.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 24, 2015, 01:14:51 PM
Great - Thanks for the Cobra & driver info.
I wish I had positive info on this photo, but the caption shown is the only thing that accompanied it.

These are the same girls that are on the cover of the July 1965 Confederate Grand Prix race program, so my thoughts are that it could have been taken at a previous race at Courtland Air Base. Perhaps even at the 1965 Memorial Day weekend race there, where Howard's 5R095 won its first race.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 25, 2015, 10:03:34 AM
Here's a postcard from Daytona, but "The Continental 24 Hour Endurance" caption on the back didn't mention the year.

So I did some Detective work and found that the #11 GT40 MKI in the foreground is P/1049, which raced there in 1967.
Which then led me to ID the two R-Models in the background, where you can see 5R108 leading 5R538:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/The_Continental_24_Hour_at_Daytona_%281967%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on August 25, 2015, 12:50:17 PM
Great postcard / find!!!

February 5, 1967 at Daytona, but you probably have the R models ID off just a bit.

The first R model is definitely 5r108...but the second car is likely 5r100.
All the way to the right of the photo is the third car 5r538. Notice the darker painted front valance.

Rich P.

 PeelOut


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 25, 2015, 11:43:11 PM
Well, I don't know, Rich - a hi-res scan shows that both R's in the middle of the photo have driving lamps in the grille.

Roger West's 5R538 had those lamps in very well known photos of it at Daytona in 1966 and all the way thru Sebring in April of 1967.
Although it had stripes on its front apron at Daytona in 1966, by April 1967 those stripes were gone and the front apron was orange.

I have no photos of 5R100 with driving lamps, so . . .

Maybe others here can offer some help?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 26, 2015, 12:30:00 AM
I've gotten several questions lately about seat belts (specifically mid-series '66 GT350 belts) and the differences between the brands when they changed the supplier, and the approximate timeline of the change. Well, there's a lot to learn about this subject, and I knew right where to go for some guidance.

Jim at Shelby Parts has been redoing all the different types of Shelby American belts for a long time, and he loaned me these tags to scan & post, along with some caption info about their applications. Most of us are aware of the different versions of the hardware of the Ray Brown and the Impact belts, but it's nice to start out with excellent images of the different tags that were used:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Shelby_American_Seat_Belt_Tags.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on August 26, 2015, 05:16:48 AM
^^^ Love that "Impact" logo type treatment!

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on August 26, 2015, 07:55:11 AM
Well, I don't know, Rich - a hi-res scan shows that both R's in the middle of the photo have driving lamps in the grille.

Roger West's 5R538 had those lamps in very well known photos of it at Daytona in 1966 and all the way thru Sebring in April of 1967.
Although it had stripes on its front apron at Daytona in 1966, by April 1967 those stripes were gone and the front apron was orange.

I have no photos of 5R100 with driving lamps, so . . .

Maybe others here can offer some help?

There is a B&W photo on Getty images at the '67 Daytona race with 5r538 wearing the darker painted front valence (fluorescent orange, like at Sebring in April) and no driving lights in the grille. It was wearing the no"18" and the "Treadwell Ford Racing" Team lettering.

I also have no photos of 5r100 at Daytona in '67...Can anyone help us with this photo request.
PM's are fine to keep this thread on topic.
Thanks, Rich P

Edit; Looking at my notes, it is possible the Getty photo was taken in November '67 at the runoffs


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 02, 2015, 08:55:46 AM
With help from richstang, who found a photograph of 5R538 with fog lamps at this event - the R-Models shown on this postcard are confirmed to be 5R108 and 5R538.
He also found a photograph of John McComb's Group II Sedan at his event with a front valence that was blue with white Le Mans stripes, so now the car at the far right of this postcard is known to be the McComb car.

I can't post his photos though, because I'm still in "Disk Quota Exceeded" limbo here - hopefully that can be resolved. Again.

Thanks for the help Rich!



Here's a postcard from Daytona, but "The Continental 24 Hour Endurance" caption on the back didn't mention the year.

So I did some Detective work and found that the #11 GT40 MKI in the foreground is P/1049, which raced there in 1967.
Which then led me to ID the two R-Models in the background, where you can see 5R108 leading 5R538:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/The_Continental_24_Hour_at_Daytona_%281967%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on September 02, 2015, 07:53:54 PM
link to the 5r538 front view on track at Daytona 24hr 1967

photo is copyrighted
https://revslib.stanford.edu/catalog/my478xd1097


and the McComb hardtop
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thehenryford/8592932090/in/album-72157633092561581/


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 08, 2015, 09:07:55 AM
Here's an ad from the August 1, 1965 USRRC Pacific Raceways race program.

Goodyear's "remarkable record" was established using many different cars from Shelby American wasn't it?
The two company's fortunes were tightly interwoven in the 1960's:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/USRRC_program_-_Pacific_Raceways_%288-1-65%29_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 09, 2015, 09:12:12 AM
Also in this program were these two Cobra photos.
In the second one, I see Lew Florence & CSX2459 but I can't ID the #10 Cobra.

Kranky?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/USRRC_program_-_Pacific_Raceways_%288-1-65%29_c.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/USRRC_program_-_Pacific_Raceways_%288-1-65%29_d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: KRANKY on September 09, 2015, 10:29:44 AM
The #10 Cobra is 2458....Ernie or Ernest Kesling.

Kranky


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 10, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Thanks Kranky. Do you know what race this was at?
Because I had suspected it was '2458 before I asked you, but then I couldn't find it listed as #10 anywhere in the Registry.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 10, 2015, 12:43:32 AM
Consumer Guide? Muscle Cars?? An unusual sounding title, but the cover certainly caught my eye!

Despite being described as a "Shelby Cobra 427, 1963", it's clearly the iconic FIA Team Cobra, CSX2345.
And there were some pretty nice color photos of it in there too.

Always consult Consumer Guide before buying your FIA Cobra:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Consumer_Guide_%28June_1981%29_a2.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Consumer_Guide_%28June_1981%29_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on September 10, 2015, 03:30:49 AM
^^^ I picked up that issue when it hit the newsstands and I sill have it on my shelf  Chug a Lug

Lots of miss-information under the Mercury Cougar listing but it was/is still a fun pre-internet resource.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 10, 2015, 10:15:59 AM
"A fun pre-internet resource" - how true! Back in those days (well, and still now...) I devoured anything in print form, and dealt with the misinformation just to get the photos.
But nowadays, with the internet, misinformation is a lot easier to research and manage.

Re: still having it on your shelf - it is a Collector's Edition!

Here's another great photo in that issue, the '67 photo shoot at LAX. You can see the car in front is a GT 350 and I believe the dark car is a GT 500.
I have seen several other photos from this session, but I don't believe I've ever seen this particular arrangement of the cars before.

I sure would like to have a better or color version of this photo, or any of the other photos that were taken during this 1967 photo shoot at LAX.
That could be a whole separate thread here, couldn't it?  

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Consumer_Guide_%28June_1981%29_c2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on September 10, 2015, 10:39:47 AM
Rich Keith:
Don't have that exact shot in color, but have these two from that shoot.  Yes, the dark (Blue) car is a GT500.

(THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO WITH THIS THREAD AND THE OTHER)



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on September 10, 2015, 11:08:41 AM
Hi JD,

I believe you meant to thank Kieth "SFM66H"
Kieth has and continues to put forth a tremendous amount of effort to bring us all of these vintage photos, articles, and ads.
If you were referring to me, I'm just one of the many bystanders, adding my 2 cents on occasion.

Thanks for posting these 2 fantastic color slides!
I recall seeing a few more from that photo shoot in very small sizes, but perhaps they do deserve their own thread, so we can talk about them in more detail.
(It was great to meet you and talk in person about the 67's at SAAC 40)

Rich P


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on September 10, 2015, 12:18:05 PM
Hi JD,

I believe you meant to thank Kieth "SFM66H"
Kieth has and continues to put forth a tremendous amount of effort to bring us all of these vintage photos, articles, and ads.
If you were referring to me, I'm just one of the many bystanders, adding my 2 cents on occasion.

Thanks for posting these 2 fantastic color slides!
I recall seeing a few more from that photo shoot in very small sizes, but perhaps they do deserve their own thread, so we can talk about them in more detail.
(It was great to meet you and talk in person about the 67's at SAAC 40)

Rich P

Rich you're right, I adjusted my post - THANKS.  (Sorry Keith)

Good to meet you too, thanks!




Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: honker on September 10, 2015, 06:57:57 PM
Keith & car26JD, thanks for those pics, love the colour on those slides ! question,if these are from the '67 intro at LAX, what would be the date on that event ? I can't see well enough, but it looks like neither car has the upper scoop running lights. it also looks like the green car has grey between the spokes on the Magstars, and the dark car has black between them. I believe that one wheel was a early version, and the other later ? is that correct ?


Mike (honker)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on September 10, 2015, 07:12:29 PM
Keith & car26JD, thanks for those pics, love the colour on those slides ! question,if these are from the '67 intro at LAX, what would be the date on that event ? I can't see well enough, but it looks like neither car has the upper scoop running lights. it also looks like the green car has grey between the spokes on the Magstars, and the dark car has black between them. I believe that one wheel was a early version, and the other later ? is that correct ?
Mike (honker)

Mike, I don't know the date but long after the big event introducing the LAX opening.  I think, as you have pointed out, both cars don't have the Stop/Turn lights at the back of the upper scoops, small letter GoodYears, convex gas filler emblem but '66 exhaust trim rings with the bottoms cut-off so not real, real early.  Actually both cars have light-color recessed areas in the Mag Star center sections.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 10, 2015, 11:16:44 PM
Mike, I don't know the date but long after the big event introducing the LAX opening.  I think, as you have pointed out, both cars don't have the Stop/Turn lights at the back of the upper scoops, small letter GoodYears, convex gas filler emblem but '66 exhaust trim rings with the bottoms cut-off so not real, real early.  Actually both cars have light-color recessed areas in the Mag Star center sections.

JD - Thanks for the color slides! They are among my favorite photos ever. I've always wondered if there are more large photos like that out there?
As Rich mentioned, I have seen some others too but they are very small. 
Also, it's good that you pointed out the details of my b&w Consumer Guide photo that proves it was at a later time than the introduction of the '67's at LAX.
I'm going to edit my comment in that post so as not to cause any misinformation.

Rich - Thanks to you too for all your help and support. You are a valued researcher/contributor who is not "just a bystander". We share the same passion for original '67 Shelby photos, and if you start a new thread on '67's at LAX I very much look forward to it. Those cars in that location deserve it!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 10, 2015, 11:56:07 PM
And speaking of CSX2345, here's another incredible photo found in another obscure book.
This was in "World Of Racing - Sights and Sounds of International Motor Racing" by Wade Hoyt (1973).

It shows Sir John Whitmore at the 5/1/65 Oulton Park Tourist Trophy (4th OA - 1st GT).
For this race, Alan Mann's mechanics removed the forward roll bar brace, giving '2345 its distinctive, unique look. I've never heard the reason why, but I hope it turns up here.
This is now the largest, best quality color photo of CSX2345 that I have of it after Targa Florio in April of 1964.

This book also had a 45 rpm record narrated by Graham Hill and illustrations of 16 race tracks around the world.
I'm amazed at how some of the best photos show up in some of the most unexpected places!

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/World_Of_Racing_%28Wade_Hoyt%2C_1973%29_pg_37_a.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: BryanW on September 11, 2015, 06:02:25 AM
Awesome picture.....My Favorite Cobra of all...have seen it many times at the museum  :)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 14, 2015, 07:16:07 PM
Here's another photo from the same book, and it's another rare one.
It shows Gurney & CSX2323 at Targa Florio, 1964.
I have MANY photos of it at this race, but I have never seen this one before:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/World_Of_Racing_%28Wade_Hoyt%2C_1973%29_pg_37_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 14, 2015, 07:34:17 PM
And here's the last photo from that book. It's either GT/103 or GT/104, and what caught my eye were the signs in the background of this uncropped photo.
I recognize them as signs that I have seen in Willow Springs photos, but these are the only ones I have ever been able to actually read.
The Registry says that GT/104 was "extensively tested at Riverside and Willow Springs" so I'll speculate that this is '104.
But I've never been able to tell '103 & '104 apart very well during their early days, so maybe someone here will know for sure:   

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/World_Of_Racing_%28Wade_Hoyt%2C_1973%29_pg_38.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 15, 2015, 08:19:14 AM
A while ago, I was asking Jim some questions about 1965 GT350 mufflers, I didn’t know anything about them, including even who the supplier was. He informed me that they were made by ‘Douglass Mufflers’ (Bell Gardens, CA). Then he told me about how he once actually found a Douglass decal in the glove box of an early ‘65 Shelby he was restoring. This was several years ago, and unfortunately, it got lost. Despite his best efforts to relocate it, he had not been successful. Imagine my surprise then, when he told me last week that he finally found it!
 
It’s shown here larger than actual size (it’s actually 2 1/2” high and 2 3/4” wide) and it’s a water transfer decal, not a sticker.
How cool is that?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Douglass___Glass_Packed___Mufflers_%281965_GT_350%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 15, 2015, 09:23:01 AM
Jim just scored these perfect condition dash plaques - it's unreal what's out there . . .

Because of their polished gold finish, they were impossible to scan and very difficult to photograph. I had to do them individually, each in different lighting to make them readable:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Dash_Plaques_1963-1966.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on September 15, 2015, 12:03:13 PM
GREAT dash plaques!!!

That must be the very first race at Stardust Raceway in LV.
I recently found a few photos on Getty images of the grand opening dated 9-22-65.
They focused on P-1004, and had a hint of 5r001, a Cobra with race #66 and maybe #88, also a un-numbered Daytona coupe.
Also show Carroll Shelby, Ken Miles, and Parnelli Jones.
links to photos (copyrights).

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/publicity-photo-promoting-the-stardust-international-news-photo/108936687
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/stardust-international-raceway-a-shelby-cobra-road-racer-is-news-photo/163093875
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/stardust-international-raceway-grand-opening-shelby-test-news-photo/163093874
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/group-of-drivers-and-racing-dignitaries-come-out-to-the-news-photo/163093873
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/group-of-drivers-and-racing-dignitaries-come-out-to-the-news-photo/163093872
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/group-of-drivers-and-racing-dignitaries-come-out-to-the-news-photo/163093871
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/group-of-drivers-and-racing-dignitaries-come-out-to-the-news-photo/163093870


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: jswoody on September 15, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
GREAT dash plaques!!!

That must be the very first race at Stardust Raceway in LV.
I recently found a few photos on Getty images of the grand opening dated 9-22-65.
They focused on P-1004, and had a hint of 5r001, a Cobra with race #66 and maybe #88, also a un-numbered Daytona coupe.
Also show Carroll Shelby, Ken Miles, and Parnelli Jones.


Great pictures!  Things have changed a little in LV.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on September 16, 2015, 01:45:49 AM
A while ago, I was asking Jim some questions about 1965 GT350 mufflers, I didn’t know anything about them, including even who the supplier was. He informed me that they were made by ‘Douglass Mufflers’ (Bell Gardens, CA). Then he told me about how he once actually found a Douglass decal in the glove box of an early ‘65 Shelby he was restoring. This was several years ago, and unfortunately, it got lost. Despite his best efforts to relocate it, he had not been successful. Imagine my surprise then, when he told me last week that he finally found it!
 
It’s shown here larger than actual size (it’s actually 2 1/2” high and 2 3/4” wide) and it’s a water transfer decal, not a sticker.
How cool is that?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Douglass___Glass_Packed___Mufflers_%281965_GT_350%29.jpg)

What a great find! Thanks for your continued efforts to scan & post these to share with the rest of us.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 16, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
Rich - All great links in your Reply #201 above, Thanks!

The ones of P/1004 show it in my favorite livery, that which it wore at Le Mans, 1965:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/P-1004_at_FAV_%281965_photo%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 18, 2015, 12:11:53 AM
In this issue of Racing Magazine (Volume 2 - Number 3) 1967 was an ad that featured 5R108, of Freddy Van Beuren's Dos Caballos Racing Team.

The cover photo was captioned: "Sebring Trans-Am winner, Jerry Titus, screams through the Green Park Chicane as he heads for his spectacular victory in his Terlingua Racing Team Mustang."

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Titus_in_Green_Park_Chicane_-_Sebring_1967_b.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/5R108_%28Racing_Magazine%2C_Vol_2_-_No__3_-_1967%29_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 22, 2015, 09:11:36 AM
'Aye Mates - check out this lovely Sheila on the cover of a March 1966 Australian car magazine!

I have no idea how Jim found this and was just amazed when I saw it for the first time - I never even heard of this magazine before.
There's a two page article, a five page interview with Carroll Shelby and a really interesting ad coming up too:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_a2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on September 22, 2015, 07:39:15 PM
Amazing how much unique unseen stuff you post!  Chug a Lug

Very cool!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 23, 2015, 12:03:38 AM
Here's the "GT 350 EGO-BOOSTER Mustang with the big sting" Down Under:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_b2.jpg)


And notice that in the second photo below, the steering wheel center cap and the Shelby American sill plate emblem are not present.
The article mentions it being "on the wharf" - perhaps they were 'removed' there...

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_c2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on September 23, 2015, 01:22:26 AM
Oh, man, that is priceless! Can't wait to see what they say about the new 1966 model.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 23, 2015, 07:11:50 AM
One misprint is that it says "Tinted glass all round is standard," . Probably looked at the rear glass and assumed all the rest were the same.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 23, 2015, 09:21:38 AM
Here's the interesting ad I was talking about.

The guy to "go see" (Frank Matich) was the same guy in the article "who happened to become infatuated with it, after first seeing it on the wharf."
So I don't know if he just converted the car to right-hand drive and was already moving it or what...

It's still shown in left-hand drive configuration in the ad, and appears to be photographed at some sort of banked track facility: 

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: acman63 on September 23, 2015, 10:50:20 AM
Frank Matich was a Big Group 7 guy.  I recall getting his autograph at Road America in the 60s when he tried to come here and compete.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: A1965GT350 on September 23, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
From some of the previously posted pictures:


(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s412/T16592/taillight%20panel_zpswkofbb7n.jpg)
(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s412/T16592/taillight%20panel%202_zpspragb0yv.jpg)

More vintage pictures of a 1965 GT350 without the GT350 tail light panel emblem


(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s412/T16592/steering%20wheel_zpsyd0cweva.jpg)
Almost looks like a steer wheel with the center spokes a little bit on the polished side. But it may just as well be the picture. HeadSpin


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 23, 2015, 11:51:48 PM
I forgot to mention in my original post of this magazine cover (Reply #206) that there was a bumper sticker on the car that advertises BROADWAY FORD.
I haven't had a chance to look into it yet, but it would be interesting to know if this could help ID the car in the Registry:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_%28inset%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_a2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 23, 2015, 11:55:52 PM
I forgot to mention in my original post of this magazine cover (Reply #206) that there was a bumper sticker on the car that advertises BROADWAY FORD.
I haven't had a chance to look into it yet, but it would be interesting to know if this could help ID the car in the Registry:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_%28inset%29.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_a2.jpg)
We had a Broadway Ford in Kansas City (closed now) but I don't remember a sticker like that. They typically had the metal logo that had to have holes drilled in the tail panel. I didn't start looking at the cars from there until 67 or 68 so it may have slipped by me.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 24, 2015, 12:29:02 AM
And here's the interview with Carroll Shelby in this Australian car magazine.
Although the pictures are mostly 'stock photos', the fourth page has one of Ken Miles & CSX3002 at Lakeside, Australia in November 1965 that I hadn't seen before:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_e2.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_f2.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_g2.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_h2.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Sports_Car_World_-_March_1966_i2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6S2020 on September 24, 2015, 05:05:04 PM
Thanks for sharing :)
Lakeside Raceway is just down the road from me, i was probably there that day Nov 65,(i turned 7 that month) we went to all the races.
Track is still open to racing.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 24, 2015, 11:49:42 PM
Oh, man, that is priceless! Can't wait to see what they say about the new 1966 model.

Steve

Although I was hoping there would be more on the '66's too, I still felt it was worth scanning & posting all the pages anyway because it's a rare opportunity for most of us here in the States to read a vintage article in an Australian car magazine.

Also, I have to reduce the size of everything I post (which reduces the clarity of print), but always remember that I have larger scans that I can email to anyone who wants better images.

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on September 25, 2015, 12:47:45 AM
Although I was hoping there would be more on the '66's too, I still felt it was worth scanning & posting all the pages anyway because it's a rare opportunity for most of us here in the States to read a vintage article in an Australian car magazine.

Also, I have to reduce the size of everything I post (which reduces the clarity of print), but always remember that I have larger scans that I can email to anyone who wants better images.

Kieth

Understood. The interview is great. Thanks for posting the whole thing. And it’s fun to see that photo of carryovers in print down under.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 25, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
Here's a first for me - a 1964 race program from Lynndale Farms, Wis.
And, it came from Howard Pardee! He traded it to Jim for the Courtland, Alabama race program that had the photo of 5R095 at its first race & victory.

Regarding the Cobra at the bottom - I immediately recognized the 'Bob Johnson lean' and the w-i-d-e roll bar of CSX2189 - not sure which Cobra the other one is: 

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Lynndale_Farms_-_August_29-30%2C_1964_a2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 25, 2015, 09:09:43 AM
And, a special visitor the previous year in an AC-Ford Cobra:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Lynndale_Farms_-_August_29-30%2C_1964_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 30, 2015, 09:02:09 AM
This November 1964 Riverside Raceway ARRC program is significant because of the many items pertinent to Shelby American, not the least of which is the cover artwork (and other illustrations inside) by George Bartell.

But the most important, I think, is the illustrated article by Jerry Titus that shows Riverside from a late 1964 driver's perspective, through photos and caption descriptions of every area of the track. We all know how integral Riverside is to the history of Shelby American, and I think it's important that all members have access to this history lesson.

I have seen the occasional 'photo' of a page or two here & there, and some poor size/quality scans of other pages, but I thought it would be worth it to scan them all and share them here. I'm going to try to post them full size too, so that by right clicking & saving them, you'll have good images for your files:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_%282%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 30, 2015, 09:11:08 AM
The site is letting me post them in a pretty large size here, but they're even larger/clearer when you save them:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_-_pg_2.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_a.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on September 30, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_c.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_d.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_e.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 01, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
On page 15 is this photo of Allen Grant & CSX2128.

The picket fence looks like Candlestick Park in Sept. '63, but I'm not sure. The standards for safety barriers were different back then...
   
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_-_pg_15.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on October 03, 2015, 09:52:15 AM
On page 15 is this photo of Allen Grant & CSX2128.

The picket fence looks like Candlestick Park in Sept. '63, but I'm not sure. The standards for safety barriers were different back then...
   
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Riverside_ARRC_program_-_Nov_1964_-_pg_15.jpg)

Kieth, you are spot on. That photo was taken at Candlestick park in Sept '63. (Sept 15th, if my notes are correct)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: migge on October 05, 2015, 01:49:03 AM
CSX 2128 when it was yellow with # 96 and driven by Allen Grant for Coventry Motors:

01.09.1963   SCCA Regional Santa Barbara           AP + BP           1st
15.09.1963   SCCA Divisional Candlestick Park   AP + BP           1st
13.10.1963   1 h Riverside                           GT                   2nd
19.10.1963   Laguna Seca                           AP+BP+CP+DP   1st
20.10.1963   Laguna Seca                           GT                   1st
20.10.1963   200 miles Laguna Seca                                      11th



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 14, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
This is the back side of sales flyer from the American Sunroof Company in Portland, Oregon.
The Shelby caught our attention, and the date stamp of  NOV 26, 1968  is really nice to have too.

It's hard to confirm from the quality of the photo if this new G.T.500 actually does have a sunroof installed, but it appears to have one.
All I do know for sure is that every other car on this flyer definitely does have one installed.

Has anyone heard of, know of, or remember a new '68 Shelby with a sunroof? If so, this may be that car:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/American_Sunroof_Company_%2811-26-68%29_b.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/American_Sunroof_Co__%28date_stamped_11-26-68%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on October 15, 2015, 03:54:09 AM
^^^ terrific piece of vintage lit there! - I will have to look for that.

It is my understanding that one, red '68 Shelby did have the sunroof installed as a test, but it was decided that option would not be offered because of the cost it would add to an already expensive vehicle and/or headroom was tight in the Mustang fastback interior.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: tesgt350 on October 15, 2015, 07:28:32 AM
^^^ terrific piece of vintage lit there! - I will have to look for that.

It is my understanding that one, red '68 Shelby did have the sunroof installed as a test, but it was decided that option would not be offered because of the cost it would add to an already expensive vehicle and/or headroom was tight in the Mustang fastback interior.

- Phillip

They gave that Car away a couple of Years ago along with a NEW Red Shelby GT 500 that they put an Elctric Sun Roof in to match.  Not sure who won the Two Cars.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 15, 2015, 11:41:31 PM
Well, from the two responses above, it seems the GT 500 pictured does have a sunroof installed in the sales flyer, and it is a known car, and it survives today.
Great feedback, Thanks!

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 15, 2015, 11:55:29 PM
Here's an interesting letter from the Marketing Office about misleading '68 GT-500 serial number designations.

And there was a recent discussion here on the Forum about whether or not the 390 engine was ever installed in Shelby's, but I can't find it now.
I'm not sure if the question was posed concerning '67's or '68's, but this 3/14/68 letter may clear up any remaining questions:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Technical_Letter_No__5_%28pg_1%29_3-14-68.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Technical_Letter_No__5_%28pg_2%29_3-14-68.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on October 16, 2015, 12:56:27 AM
Holy Shamoley! If it’s not asking too much, where did you come up with such an interesting and significant document? Is that from Jim’s collection? I’m not deep into the 1968 cars myself, but historic documents like that really light my fire.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on October 16, 2015, 07:14:06 AM
Love the 68 stuff!  ;)

 Chug a Lug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on October 16, 2015, 07:23:46 AM
This is the back side of sales flyer from the American Sunroof Company in Portland, Oregon.
The Shelby caught our attention, and the date stamp of  NOV 26, 1968  is really nice to have too.

It's hard to confirm from the quality of the photo if this new G.T.500 actually does have a sunroof installed, but it appears to have one.
All I do know for sure is that every other car on this flyer definitely does have one installed.

Has anyone heard of, know of, or remember a new '68 Shelby with a sunroof? If so, this may be that car:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/American_Sunroof_Company_%2811-26-68%29_b.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/American_Sunroof_Co__%28date_stamped_11-26-68%29.jpg)

What a great find! Incredible stuff as always. Has Pete aka "Coralsnake" seen this advert?

Here's a link to an older thread relating to a 68 Shelby with Sunroof (#01503) with pictures. http://saacforum.com/index.php?topic=20151.0

RP


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 16, 2015, 08:37:53 AM
What a great find! Incredible stuff as always. Has Pete aka "Coralsnake" seen this advert?

Here's a link to an older thread relating to a 68 Shelby with Sunroof (#01503) with pictures. http://saacforum.com/index.php?topic=20151.0

RP

Rich - Great link - Thanks for posting it!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 16, 2015, 08:43:27 AM
Holy Shamoley! If it’s not asking too much, where did you come up with such an interesting and significant document? Is that from Jim’s collection? I’m not deep into the 1968 cars myself, but historic documents like that really light my fire.

Steve

Steve, you never ask too much!
Yes, it was in an album of stuff recently acquired by Jim. I was amazed at the irony of finding it just after the recent discussion here about if 390's were ever installed in Shelby's.
It's serendipity, I tell you. (I got that word from Howard in discussions about 5R095!)

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on October 17, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
Steve, you never ask too much!
Yes, it was in an album of stuff recently acquired by Jim. I was amazed at the irony of finding it just after the recent discussion here about if 390's were ever installed in Shelby's.
It's serendipity, I tell you. (I got that word from Howard in discussions about 5R095!)

Kieth

Seems like you are always teaching me something. Now (after checking with an online dictionary) I have a new word to use. Thanks.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 21, 2015, 01:14:32 AM
Here is a large (8 1/2" x 14") sales flyer from Gotham Ford in 1968.
It has a nice list of prices & option prices on the lower left of the third photo.

But what is a Specially Built GT 500 K that you can only get from Bill Kolb, Jr.?

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Gotham_Ford_-_1968_a.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Gotham_Ford_-_1968_b.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Gotham_Ford_-_1968_c.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Gotham_Ford_-_1968_d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on October 21, 2015, 05:42:58 AM
^^^ awesome, awesome, awesome....


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 22, 2015, 01:28:22 AM
Here is an actual letter from the marketing office of shelby automotive inc. in 1969.

It appears to be a form letter as it does not have a specific date, but it's pretty cool nonetheless:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Shelby_Automotive_Letter_-_1969_a.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on October 28, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
This "beautiful experiment" ad shown below is a small image I found online somewhere.

But in an recent photo album acquisition of Jim's is a large two page ad of it, although the month and magazine's name is not shown.
It was probably from a 1964 issue of 'LIFE' magazine, because it actually measures 13 3/4" x 20 3/4" - Wow, they used some real size paper back then.

It's an ad that we're all familiar with, but it's just amazing to me because of its size!
Ken Miles is checking out GT/103 here. This is how it looked at Sebring '65, and that Caspian Blue is just striking.

The small print on the upper left edge of the photo says, "RIDE WALT DISNEY'S MAGIC SKYWAY AT THE FORD MOTOR COMPANY PAVILLION, NEW YORK WORLD'S FAIR" : 

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/GT103_as_at_Sebring_1965.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 68countrysedan on October 28, 2015, 09:35:35 AM
That single image encapsulates all the reasons why the Ford G.T. (per the side stripe) is a true automotive classic.

When the version 2.0 Ford GT was introduced, I never saw an image that even came close to projecting character like the original. There was never a sense of awe, which maybe be the result of the new media landscape, where everything is newer, more better and more awesome.

And ditto regarding the current GT. 

 


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on October 29, 2015, 01:46:43 AM
And only the true KOP could scan a picture so large and make it look so good. Well done, Kieth!



Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Coralsnake on October 29, 2015, 06:01:09 AM
Quote
Holy Shamoley! If it’s not asking too much, where did you come up with such an interesting and significant document? Is that from Jim’s collection? I’m not deep into the 1968 cars myself, but historic documents like that really light my fire.



Yes,
I have had it posted on my website for years.

Pete

I have not seen the sunroof ad, very interesting


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 29, 2015, 11:19:18 PM
Here is an actual letter from the marketing office of shelby automotive inc. in 1969.

It appears to be a form letter as it does not have a specific date, but it's pretty cool nonetheless:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Shelby_Automotive_Letter_-_1969_a.jpg)
The form letter typically accompanied one of the 69 showroom brochures a printed list of Shelby dealers and some version of a Shelby sticker or decal. They weren't all the same.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Coralsnake on October 30, 2015, 06:14:34 AM
That because Carroll typed and signed every letter

 ;)




Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on October 30, 2015, 11:43:27 AM
Only after he found the time to get up from his drawing table where he worked hard designing and engineering the new models.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on November 11, 2015, 10:05:46 AM
This ad has always been the 'lesser seen' one to me. It's different from the other '69 ads because of its bold type caption.
It's cool though, as he's called "Ol' Shel" (a certain Texas gentleman farmer we know) in this one.

What did surprise me is it mentioning that two engines were available in the 1969 GT 350. I only know of the 302 CID being available in 1968.
I don't have the date of the issue that this came out of, but maybe it's a real early ad that came out before the 1969 specs were finalized?


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Ol__Shel_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 11, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
This ad has always been the 'lesser seen' one to me. It's different from the other '69 ads because of its bold type caption.
It's cool though, as he's called "Ol' Shel" (a certain Texas gentleman farmer we know) in this one.

What did surprise me is it mentioning that two engines were available in the 1969 GT 350. I only know of the 302 CID being available in 1968.
I don't have the date of the issue that this came out of, but maybe it's a real early ad that came out before the 1969 specs were finalized?


(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Ol__Shel_b.jpg)
I use to own the Boss 302 69 GT350. ;) . One car of a series that never materialized. It may or may not be what the teaser ad was referring to.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on November 11, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Great find Kieth!

I've never seen this version of the 1969 ad (only the more common two-page version at the same location with CS standing behind the car on the drivers side).

If anyone knows the source of this ad please let us know!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on November 12, 2015, 01:26:04 AM
I use to own the Boss 302 69 GT350. ;) . One car of a series that never materialized. It may or may not be what the teaser ad was referring to.

Bob - Wow, 2244 is stunning in both appearance and provenance!

Thanks for the feedback about the possible explanation for why the 302 CID engine was being advertised as 'available' in the 1969 Shelby GT 350.

Kieth

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/2244_at_MCACN_Show.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on November 25, 2015, 08:24:02 PM
Check out this cover of the August 1965 Mid-Ohio race program. Not Shelby related I know, but too lovely to not post.
And I'm glad I happened to notice a little note inside about this cover - I've added it to the bottom of the cover here to share it with you.

Be sure to read the last sentence . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mid-Ohio_-_Aug_1965_b_%28with_added_cover_info%29.jpg)



And inside is this new (to me) R-Model photo which has a rather curious caption.
It shows Bob Johnson in 5R102 leading Tom Yaeger in 5R094 at the previous month's Nationals race at Mid-Ohio:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Mid-Ohio_race_program_%28Aug_1965%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on November 26, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
Another fantastic photo...Johnson / Yeager and their battling R's.
 :partyon

Nice to see another photo of Johnson's 5r102 in the grey/scarlet paint scheme. This may have been it's last race in that paint scheme before SA HQ forced him to paint it back to stock white/blue colors.

I can only guess the negative "slushes" comment refers to the nose diving. Not as common in that B production with all the other 2 seater sports cars.

Thanks for sharing!!!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on November 27, 2015, 09:36:58 AM
"Cobra-Fords, 10 of 10 Wins in 1964 Manufacturer's Events" - as seen in the April 10 & 11, 1965 Pensacola 200 USRRC Sports Cars Races program.

Shown below on April 5, 1964 are: #3, CSX2137, Ralph Noseda - #15, CSX2128, Graham Shaw - #14, CSX2301, Ken Miles:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Pensacola_USRRC_-_April_10-11%2C_1965_b.jpg)


  Miles took 1st OA & 1st MFG. Here he flashes by at the finish line:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Pensacola_USRRC_-_April_10-11%2C_1965_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 02, 2015, 10:16:54 AM
The June 25-27, 1965 Watkins Glen race program has a couple of nice ads.

Here's the Goodyear ad - it refers to McLaren/Miles winning in a Ford G.T. Prototype (GT/103) and Schlesser/Bondurant winning in a Daytona Coupe (CSX2299):

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_June_25-27%2C_1965_a2.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on December 02, 2015, 11:24:20 AM
^^^ wonderful illustration!

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 03, 2015, 02:22:29 AM
Here's another Goodyear ad in this same race program, but it could say: Shelby American's remarkable record at the Daytona Continental !*

These are the cars that did it:

1st is GT/103 - 2nd is CSX2299 - 3rd is GT/104 - 4th is CSX2602 - 6th is CSX2300:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_June_25-27%2C_1965_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on December 03, 2015, 09:48:37 AM
Another great ad!
The timing of this addition couldn't be better, along with my post on the practice session's 4 Daytona Coupe's racing with the number #11 at the same event.
 :partyon


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 03, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
Yup, it's all in the timing!

The actual race number 1's have those 'little legs' at the top.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 09, 2015, 09:57:32 AM
And lastly in this race program was this "On the Grid" photo.

Thanks to Kranky's '1965 Cobra Race History' compilation, I was able to learn that the Cobra is CSX2043:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_June_25-27%2C_1965_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 11, 2015, 02:04:25 AM
The June 1964 Watkins Glen race program has a couple of great photos.
This first one was taken at the previous year's race on June 30, 1963 and is a rare photo that I've never seen before.

It shows: (l to r) Dave MacDonald's #97, CSX2128  -  Ken Miles' #98, CSX2129  -  Bob Holbert's #99, CSX2127  -  Bob Brown's #41, CSX2043  and Bob Johnson's #33, CSX2026.
And I believe that's Peyton Cramer walking thru the pits with his hands crossed:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_June_1964_race_program_a.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 15, 2015, 02:17:03 AM
Here's the other photos of interest from this race program.

This is Ken Miles in CSX2129:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_June_1964_race_program_b.jpg)


and Dave MacDonald in CSX2128. This caption about what he is doing with his hands is quite interesting:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_June_1964_race_program_c.jpg)


and then there's the Cobra King, "who gave the sport a jolt":

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Watkins_Glen_-_June_1964_race_program_d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on January 05, 2016, 10:12:23 AM
SHELBYVILLE EAST - have you ever heard of that place before?  Me neither!

This interesting ad was in a Lime Rock Trans Am race program (Racing Magazine - Vol. 2 No. 3 - May 30, 1967).

In 1966, Dockery Ford sponsored a 2-car R-Model Team (Martin Krinner/5R100 and Mark Donahue/5R105):

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Racing_Magazine_%28Vol__2_No__3%29_1967.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6S1568 on January 05, 2016, 10:29:18 AM
In the photo of Carroll Shelby, in post number 263, what do you think he's holding in his right hand at his pocket level? Anyone?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: ShelbysFords4US on January 05, 2016, 11:02:34 AM
In the photo of Carroll Shelby, in post number 263, what do you think he's holding in his right hand at his pocket level? Anyone?

 Perhaps, A small 1963 Midland Triumph 10 walkie,Talkie with a Flexible Antenna
or a 1963 Allied Radio Knight-Kit C-100 CB Walkie Talkie, with Flexible Antena


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 557 on January 05, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
In the photo of Carroll Shelby, in post number 263, what do you think he's holding in his right hand at his pocket level? Anyone?
                                                                                                                                                                        VINTAGE TRANSISTOT RADIO........you can see the white wire for the earplug......Trent


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: acman63 on January 05, 2016, 02:43:03 PM
Battery pak for pace-maker


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: rbuddy98 on January 05, 2016, 03:38:55 PM
iPhone 6S with headphones. Why not he was ahead of the times.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 06 GT on January 05, 2016, 05:58:37 PM
And I believe that's Peyton Cramer walking thru the pits
Yes it does look like that future Lincoln Mercury dealer. I put a Peyton Cramer license plate frame on my 66 Hertz for a while just to see if anyone made the connection.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: shelrace on January 08, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Sunbeam Alpine "260", could this be the earliest ad for what was to become the Sunbeam "Tiger"?!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on February 17, 2016, 11:19:36 AM
Does anyone know the COB number of this RH drive Cobra?

I scanned this from the January 1966 issue of "The British Racing & Sports Car Club Official Catalogue & Guide."

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/COB_car_%28Cobra_Britain%29_Jan_1966.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 5S003 on February 17, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
Sorry, I have not visited this thread in a while,  but on Page 13 is a photo of two 289 Cobras, one (spun out)  was listed correctly as Ernest Kesling, the other is a USRRC cutback door 289 Cobra of my old friend, now passed, Lew Florence. The chassis number is somewhere around CSX2478, sorry I am no where near my notes . The track was Kent or Pacific Raceways near Seattle, Wa.     


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SunDude on February 17, 2016, 04:46:26 PM
Does anyone know the COB number of this RH drive Cobra?
It was in "The British Racing & Sports Car Club Official Catalogue & Guide" - January 1966 issue.

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/COB_car_%28Cobra_Britain%29_Jan_1966.jpg)

That's CS 2030.  The car was sold at the Bonhams London auction in Dec 2015.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on February 18, 2016, 12:21:49 AM
Sorry, I have not visited this thread in a while,  but on Page 13 is a photo of two 289 Cobras, one (spun out)  was listed correctly as Ernest Kesling, the other is a USRRC cutback door 289 Cobra of my old friend, now passed, Lew Florence. The chassis number is somewhere around CSX2478, sorry I am no where near my notes . The track was Kent or Pacific Raceways near Seattle, Wa.     

5S003 - Lew Florence's #44 is CSX2459:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/USRRC_program_-_Pacific_Raceways_%288-1-65%29_d.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on February 18, 2016, 12:54:43 AM
That's CS 2030.  The car was sold at the Bonhams London auction in Dec 2015.

OK - Thanks SunDude. The Registry lists it as CSX2030, which threw me a little bit at first. But it also explains the reason why the "X" is not in its chassis number.

The Registry also states that "it was advertised for sale in the early '70s through the Gold Seal Car Co., Ltd."

I scanned this photograph from the January 1966 issue of "The British Racing & Sports Car Club Official Catalogue & Guide" and it matches perfectly the description in the Registry of what it looked like when it was advertised for sale:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/COB_car_%28Cobra_Britain%29_Jan_1966.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6S1640 on February 18, 2016, 11:40:32 AM
Sunbeam Alpine "260", could this be the earliest ad for what was to become the Sunbeam "Tiger"?!

The Sunbeam Tigers were marketed as Alpine 260 in parts of Europe including Germany.  This was for marketing purposes only as another company had legal rights to the name "Tiger" in certain countries.  The Alpine 260 and Tiger were the same car, and the Tiger production figures include those sold as Alpine 260s.  I am not sure how or if they changed the name when the Mark ll cars came out.  This is from my buddy Laurence J, a Mark II owner.

Cory


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: swiftruss on February 21, 2016, 01:24:43 PM
Wow, that's the best colour picture I have of my car CS2030 from the period. I bought it from the auction last year. Many thanks for posting it. Does anyone have a copy of the publication I can buy? I've attached the only other colour picture I have. This was taken at Le Mans before the registration number was changed to 510GBL. 2030 is the car at the front. It was driven to Le Mans by Derek Hurlock and Phil Remington. I have lots of black and white ones from 1962 if anyone would like to see them


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on February 21, 2016, 01:41:46 PM
Wow, that's the best colour picture I have of my car CS2030 from the period. I bought it from the auction last year. Many thanks for posting it. Does anyone have a copy of the publication I can buy? I've attached the only other colour picture I have. This was taken at Le Mans before the registration number was changed to 510GBL. 2030 is the car at the front. It was driven to Le Mans by Derek Hurlock and Phil Remington. I have lots of black and white ones from 1962 if anyone would like to see them

YES Please, interesting tail lights on the car closest to the camera...


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: swiftruss on February 21, 2016, 01:49:15 PM
I'll post some more pictures in the CSX2000 section of the forum. The thread is under "Early pictures of CS2030"

http://saacforum.com/index.php?topic=35161.0

What a wonderful forum this is!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Cobra Ned on February 22, 2016, 02:24:37 PM
We have since located copies of the British Magazine ads from MotorSport magazine when the Gold Seal Car Company was advertising 2030 for sale, and the date of their publication was Oct '65 and Nov '65. Not clear where the "early 70's' idea originated.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: tesgt350 on February 23, 2016, 06:00:47 AM
Wow, that's the best colour picture I have of my car CS2030 from the period. I bought it from the auction last year. Many thanks for posting it. Does anyone have a copy of the publication I can buy? I've attached the only other colour picture I have. This was taken at Le Mans before the registration number was changed to 510GBL. 2030 is the car at the front. It was driven to Le Mans by Derek Hurlock and Phil Remington. I have lots of black and white ones from 1962 if anyone would like to see them

Does it still have THOSE Tail Lights?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on February 24, 2016, 10:28:30 AM
This August 1966 Watkins Glen race program had a couple of nice items.

The cover features Hal Keck in CSX3008, but the program did not ID the race that the photo was taken at.
It's most likely a 1965 photo - if anyone here knows for sure I'll edit this post.

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Glen_500_race_program_%28Aug_19-21%2C_1966%29__a.jpg)



Here's a new-to-me photo that shows the Dockery Ford sponsored R-Model Team.
Martin Krinner's 5R100 leads Mark Donohue's 5R105 at the Watkins Glen SCCA National on 8/22/65.

Thanks to richstang for helping ID the event:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Glen_500_race_program_%28Aug_19-21%2C_1966%29_b.jpg)


And a nice dealer ad for NAGLE FORD, INC. in New York:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Glen_500_race_program_%28Aug_19-21%2C_1966%29_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on February 24, 2016, 11:07:12 AM
I'd say the csx3008 #88 photo was also from the same 8/22/65 "Glen 500" race as the two R models photo.

Notice the sticker (Firestone?) above the side vents...
It doesn't appear in any photos I have on file prior to July 65
It also seems to disappear by November '65 for the championship race in Daytona.

 PeelOut


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 06, 2016, 01:23:42 AM
Check out this rare photo! Isn't it reminiscent of that very famous photo of Carroll Shelby with the Team Cobras in front of 1042 Princeton Drive in Venice in 1963?

Well, this one was found in the August 23-25, 1963 "Seventh Annual GLEN CLASSIC Sports Car Road Races" race program. The caption read: "The Cobras lineup with sponsor George Miller. They won 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th place in USRRC Manufacturers." These results were from the race on June 30, 1963.

This photo was taken after the race and it shows: (l to r) #98, CSX2129, Ken Miles, 2nd - #97, CSX2128, Dave MacDonald, 3rd - and #99, CSX2127, Bob Holbert, DNF. The Cobras mentioned in the caption but not shown are: #33, CSX2026, Bob Johnson, 1st - and #41, CSX2043, Bob Brown, 5th.

This was a small (2 3/4" x 4") photo that was placed at an angle on the page (and thus cut off on the upper corner) but it appears that the lettering on the building may have said something like "George Miller Co." or "George Miller Motor Co.", etc.

I was only able to positively identify Dave MacDonald (3rd from the right) but the first two on the left could possibly be Al Dowd and Ken Miles.

What a thrill it was for me to see this incredible photo from the very early days of the factory Cobra Team!

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/With_sponsor_George_Miller_at_Watkins_Glen%2C_NY_%28June_1963%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: jim mac on April 06, 2016, 05:54:19 AM
The building is still there in the center of town, Watkins Glen.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3784316,-76.8723061,3a,78.2y,47.14h,80.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-c0a2OJKEWZHOEpzRfIE7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3784316,-76.8723061,3a,78.2y,47.14h,80.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-c0a2OJKEWZHOEpzRfIE7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 06, 2016, 09:12:10 AM
jim mac,

Thanks a lot for the current day photo, what a cool old building. I think it's so neat that it's still there, over 50 years later.
Do you know if it was called "George Miller Motor Co." or something like that in 1963?
And if so, was he a Ford Dealer at that time?

Thanks


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 13, 2016, 09:06:34 AM
This photo was in the June 10-11, 1967 ROSE CUP (Portland, OR) race program.
Research revealed that it is CSX2218 at the 1966 ROSE CUP.
The Registry says that it was driven by John Antons at this event (with an interesting story as well) so I gather that's him at the wheel in this photo.
Note what appears to be a side helmet support on the (tall) roll bar and the 'baffles' in the side pipes that I have seen in other Cobra photos of the day.
The six-spoke Halibrands look good on those shiny Firestones, and it appears that the vertical side vent fins have been removed:   

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/CSX2218_at_Rose_Cup_-_Portland%2C_OR_%28June_1966%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on April 14, 2016, 07:10:55 AM
Those vintage race programs are proving to be a treasure chest of great photos.

Your photo from "George Miller Co?" at Watkins Glen in '63 is a rare glimpse at the 3 Cobras from that event. Perhaps the men standing behind the car are the employees of the building and the crew of the teams combined.

The Rose Cup photo is another rare treat. That's the first time I've seen a photo of that Cobra. The helmet rests attached to the roll bar is a smart added feature. I wonder why someone would remove the louvers fins from the side vents?

As always thank for sharing these!
 Chug a Lug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 14, 2016, 09:44:20 AM
Your photo from "George Miller Co?" at Watkins Glen in '63 is a rare glimpse at the 3 Cobras from that event. Perhaps the men standing behind the car are the employees of the building and the crew of the teams combined.

I believe you are correct about who is in the photo, but I am still looking for more info.

And I have emailed the IMRRC (International Motor Racing Research Center) which is (coincidentally) in Watkins Glen, about this photo, hoping to get more information about George Miller and his company. As he was a sponsor of Shelby American at this race, I have been asked by a SAAC member if he was a supplier to SAI for a certain part that his company made...

So I hoped that they would jump on their chance to promote some very local (to them) history, but no response from them yet.




Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 14, 2016, 11:37:24 PM
And of course, as soon as I said that, I got a response from IMRRC later that day!
They said that George Miller was a local Ford Dealer, so at least we understand the sponsorship connection now.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on April 15, 2016, 07:55:53 PM
jim mac,

Thanks a lot for the current day photo, what a cool old building. I think it's so neat that it's still there, over 50 years later.
Do you know if it was called "George Miller Motor Co." or something like that in 1963?
And if so, was he a Ford Dealer at that time?

Thanks


Yes it is a cool old building!  Great vintage photo of the three Cobras and team members.  Chug a Lug

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f2nYH7CfDms/VxGjdnoBgpI/AAAAAAAAG-Y/JRFNpfY2EEMEk3dpli6evZq-65YbfEFIQCCo/s800-Ic42/wgtoday.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on April 15, 2016, 08:13:43 PM
If you look real hard you can almost see the past in that old building.  ;)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-da4sTv4DkAc/VxGrh5yvdmI/AAAAAAAAG_o/D_pYbQbGz0wOx2D47cSHlVnfVVOc2UgXwCCo/s800-Ic42/wg50.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 18, 2016, 09:32:30 AM
That is so cool - I would really like to know how you did that...

And Thanks for doing it!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Rodster-500 on April 18, 2016, 07:23:24 PM
That is so cool - I would really like to know how you did that...

And Thanks for doing it!

You're welcome.  ;) Since you like it, my favor to your for posting all the cool photos!

It was the vision I had in my head when I saw that vintage picture and found out the building is still there.  

Made it happen using an online 'photoshop'   (https://pixlr.com/)  

I'm sure with more practice it could be done better but my first attempt conveyed the feeling.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on April 19, 2016, 09:22:43 AM
Rodster-500,
Thanks for the website tip - I'll check it out.

Your first attempt did more than convey the feeling - wow...
The building still being there after more than half a century definitely made it worth your effort!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 10, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
Jim recently found this AC brochure and thought it was pretty cool because of the dealer stamp, and I agree.
I believe it's thought that brochures & literature are generally considered 'better' without dealer stamps, but I think in certain cases they add to the printed matter's historical value.

In this case, Downtown Ford is a much lesser known (at least to me) Shelby dealer.
In fact, I can't find it on any of my lists of Shelby American Dealers, but I did note that I had previously posted this b&w ad of theirs on this thread (Reply #76) last year.

So these two photos are all that I have ever seen of DOWNTOWN FORD SALES in Los Angeles:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Downtown_Ford_Sales_AC_brochure.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Downtown_Ford%2C_Los_Angeles_%28June_1963_ad%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 1967 Eight Barrel on May 11, 2016, 01:14:37 AM
If you look real hard you can almost see the past in that old building.  ;)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-da4sTv4DkAc/VxGrh5yvdmI/AAAAAAAAG_o/D_pYbQbGz0wOx2D47cSHlVnfVVOc2UgXwCCo/s800-Ic42/wg50.jpg)

This was Specchio Ford. My spousal unit grew up just down the road from this dealer. We're moving back to open a B&B there.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: jim mac on May 11, 2016, 06:04:08 AM
This was Specchio Ford. My spousal unit grew up just down the road from this dealer. We're moving back to open a B&B there.

Here is a picture I took last year (9/11/15) at the Watkins Glen Vintage Grand Prix festival that has the building in the background.  
Still parking cool cars out in front.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 1967 Eight Barrel on May 11, 2016, 10:07:25 PM
Jim, I was there the last two years in a row. Quite a gathering of vehicles, isn't it?


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: jim mac on May 12, 2016, 05:40:14 AM
Jim, I was there the last two years in a row. Quite a gathering of vehicles, isn't it?

I go pretty much every year, yes it is a fun time.  The WG track repaving is complete so this year the vintage racing will return to the track that weekend. 

Jim


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 19, 2016, 12:35:15 AM
"Roses are red" - not something you would expect a Cobra photo caption to start out with...

But it's a nice photo (except for the tint) of Mark Donohue in CSX2043 at Lime Rock Park in the SCCA Divisional on 9/28/63.
This was in the June 13, 1964 Lime Rock Park Official Program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Lime_Rock_Park_race_program_%28June_13%2C_1964%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on May 20, 2016, 02:21:24 AM
Another great find, KOP. Thanks for sharing it here.

I'm curious. Is the original source photo a color pic that has turned blue over time, or a black & white that has turned blue? Or maybe it was tinted blue intentionally during the original printing?

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: acman63 on May 20, 2016, 08:28:33 AM
Another great find, KOP. Thanks for sharing it here.

I'm curious. Is the original source photo a color pic that has turned blue over time, or a black & white that has turned blue? Or maybe it was tinted blue intentionally during the original printing?

Steve
For some reason the race programs they had for a couple years used this blue tint in a lot of the program.  thats the way they were


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Tom Honegger on May 20, 2016, 10:28:41 AM
Neat item...anything about Mark is cool. (Donohue is spelled incorrectly...sorry, retired printer here)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 24, 2016, 11:00:53 PM
Steve,
I just noticed your question today (sorry) and I see that Jim has already answered your question. Glad you liked the photo, I did too.


Tom,
"Anything about Mark is cool" - I completely agree. And I have always struggled with the correct spelling of his last name. I even consulted the Cobra Registry first and it's spelled "Donahue" in there, so I went with that in my original post. But then I Googled it and everything came up spelled "Donohue" so I edited my post.
 
So then I thought of his book, and I figured - it has to be correct on there. Right?         

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/The-Unfair-Advantage-Book-1600x866.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on June 08, 2016, 11:30:58 PM
This December 11, 1964 issue of AUTOSPORT has the best Nassau photo that I have seen.
It shows Ken Miles in CSX2196 during the opening lap of the November 29 Tourist Trophy race.

Wow - there is a lot of serious hardware in this photo:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/AUTOSPORT_%28Dec_11%2C_1964%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on June 21, 2016, 10:16:50 AM
Thanks as always for posting these Kieth!

At first I thought this was one of the Freidman photos, but I couldn't match it with anything of his collection on Flickr.

I see 6 Cobras, 1 GT40, 1 Mustang hardtop, 2 Sunbeams, 2 Grand Sports, and 2 Ferraris, etc.
Today, those cars alone would make for a great concours de something event.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6R07mi on June 23, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
Thanks as always for posting these Kieth!

At first I thought this was one of the Freidman photos, but I couldn't match it with anything of his collection on Flickr.

I see 6 Cobras, 1 GT40, 1 Mustang hardtop, 2 Sunbeams, 2 Grand Sports, and 2 Ferraris, etc.
Today, those cars alone would make for a great concours de something event.

 The Mustang notchback is one of the HiPo Tour-de-France cars # DPK7B, driven by Skip Scott I believe.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on June 23, 2016, 07:49:37 PM
The Mustang notchback is one of the HiPo Tour-de-France cars # DPK7B, driven by Skip Scott I believe.

Hey, you're right!
Looking through my European Mustang race results shows two outings for this Mustang Hardtop at the Bahamas Speed Weeks

64-11-29 Nassau Tourist Trophy
   #199 DPK7B Prelim 11th oa, Main 9th oa Skip Scott

64-12-6 Nassau Trophy Race
    #199 DPK7B 16th oa, 1st GTP5.0 Skip Scott

 Chug a Lug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 23, 2016, 11:51:27 PM
Well, I got a very pleasant surprise this week about this photo!

I originally posted it here in Reply #285 on April 6, 2016. It was in the August 23-25, 1963 "Seventh Annual GLEN CLASSIC Sports Car Road Races" race program. The caption read: "The Cobras lineup with sponsor George Miller. They won 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th place in USRRC Manufacturers." These results were from the race on June 30, 1963.

I was very curious to know who George Miller was, and what his connection to Carroll Shelby was. As I searched the internet for help, I came across "IMRRC" - The International Motor Racing Research Center - in Watkins Glen, New York no less! Who better to help me with this question I thought, and they surely did.

I emailed them with my question, and here is how Josh Ashby (an Archival Assistant at IMRRC) responded:
 
Hello Kieth;

I would like to first apologize that it has taken this long to get to your research request it just came across my desk this morning.  I see in the forum that the location of the photo has been identified as Specchio Ford here in Watkins Glen. I will now go look at the program and see if I can find out what George Miller’s connection to the team was.

His next response:

I was working on your request when our historian was walking by and heard me wondering to myself about George Miller. Bill our historian instantly knew who he was. George Miller owned the Ford dealership which is now Specchio Motors today, though back then it was called Schuyler Motors. The Shelby team was based out of his shop when they were racing at Watkins Glen.

How cool is that?
And lastly:

I just talked with Bill, and he summed up the relationship (between George Miller and Carroll Shelby) as Miller was an official Ford dealer, and Shelby was an official team so that is why they garaged there.  

So, there we have it. Right from the source.

On behalf of The Shelby American Automobile Club, I would like to thank Josh Ashby, Bill The Historian, and IMRRC for their time and help with this great photo of the Shelby Team Cobras in Watkins Glen, NY in June 1963:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/With_sponsor_George_Miller_at_Watkins_Glen%2C_NY_%28June_1963%29.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: KRANKY on August 24, 2016, 07:14:12 AM
Very cool in finding the background history.  "Bill the Historian" is actually Bill Green.  I haven't been to the Glen Library, but it has been mentioned that they have quite a collection of period material on the grounds.

Kranky


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 24, 2016, 08:47:43 AM
Kranky,

It's nice to be able to put a name to my "Bill The Historian" label - thanks.

And thank you, Bill Green of IMRRC!

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 30, 2016, 10:31:59 AM
After its duty with Hertz, 6S1615 went back to Hi-Performance Motors and had its brake linings replaced on 2/3/67.
Then it was shipped to Cutter Ford Sales in North Hollywood, Calif. on 9/26/67. And there the trail runs cold...

For the 40 years I've owned it, I've been trying to find something, anything, from or about Cutter Ford.

But recently, Jim told me to stop out at Shelby Parts & Restoration before work that day or I wouldn't be able to sleep that night (he knows me well). ;D
I figured for sure it was going to be another awesome, previously unseen photograph.

Imagine my shocked disbelief when he handed me this license plate frame from CUTTER FORD SALES! I had no idea he had been searching for one for a long time.
When I recovered, I immediately asked him "How much?" as I would have paid whatever it took for a needle-in-a-haystack score like that.
He wouldn't tell me and wouldn't accept a penny for it. He just said, "It's an early birthday present for you."

WOW - all I could say is, "THANKS Jim, this IS the best early birthday present ever!"    Chug a Lug

Kieth

 
 

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Cutter_Ford_Sales__b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM6S087 on August 30, 2016, 12:44:50 PM
What a hoot!

Congratulations on both the present and the good friend.

Steve


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: mikeh350 on August 30, 2016, 04:04:30 PM
Keith,

Cutter Ford was located at 5500 Lankershim Blvd in the North Hollywood area of Los Angeles. A large dealership for sure. At some point in time, and if my memory serves me correctly, it changed to Universal Ford. I believe this change to have been in the early to mid 70's.  Universal Studios is not too far south of this location hence the name. The building is still there and now operates under the name of Sunrise Ford. This info might help you in some of your research.

Congrats on your Cutter frame.

Mike


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on August 31, 2016, 08:17:33 AM
Mike,

Thanks for your response. I had seen Cutter Ford Sales on the list of Shelby American Dealers, but that is all I ever learned about them. I had not been aware of their name changes though, so I appreciate hearing about that.

You may know that I've been working with my friend George Watters in CA. with his photo collection here on the Forum for a couple years now, but I had never thought about asking him about Cutter Ford. I did so now, and he responded, "I remember Cutter Ford in North Hollywood very well. I remember in 1971 and '72 I took my '68 GT 350 there a couple of times for service."

Hah! Small world! I'll be asking him more about it next time we talk...

Thanks again,
Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 07, 2016, 01:53:52 AM
A while ago, Jim alerted me to this magazine that he found 'across the pond.' I just had to have it, so he scored it for me.
This image was one we had never seen before and it really appealed to us as it shows P/1015 in a gritty, race worn condition.

The caption for this cover photo says: "Ken Miles at the wheel of the Ford GT in which he shared second place at Le Mans - by a few feet! - with Denis Hulme."
It doesn't look like Miles to me though, it appears to be Hulme driving (the helmet looks green in color).

There's also a couple of really nice ads & photos in this issue that I will post as well.

What an awesome photo of P/1015 this is:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Motor_Racing_%28August_1966%29_a1.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on December 07, 2016, 09:18:29 AM
Nice Score Kieth,

I'm guessing that photo was taken later in the day, on day one.
It still had the lower light "covers", even though they are very torn up.
I agree, it doesn't look like Miles driving.

Thanks for sharing...looking forward to the other photos


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 07, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
The ads in this issue of MOTOR RACING magazine from the companies that supplied parts for the GT40's are really interesting because I had not known of them before:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Motor_Racing_%28August_1966%29_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6R07mi on December 07, 2016, 10:55:17 AM
After its duty with Hertz, 6S1615 went back to Hi-Performance Motors and had its brake linings replaced on 2/3/67.
Then it was shipped to Cutter Ford Sales in North Hollywood, Calif. on 9/26/67. And there the trail runs cold...

For the 40 years I've owned it, I've been trying to find something, anything, from or about Cutter Ford.

But recently, Jim told me to stop out at Shelby Parts & Restoration before work that day or I wouldn't be able to sleep that night (he knows me well). ;D
I figured for sure it was going to be another awesome, previously unseen photograph.

Imagine my shocked disbelief when he handed me this license plate frame from CUTTER FORD SALES! I had no idea he had been searching for one for a long time.
When I recovered, I immediately asked him "How much?" as I would have paid whatever it took for a needle-in-a-haystack score like that.
He wouldn't tell me and wouldn't accept a penny for it. He just said, "It's an early birthday present for you."

WOW - all I could say is, "THANKS Jim, this IS the best early birthday present ever!"    Chug a Lug

Kieth

 
(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Cutter_Ford_Sales__b.jpg)

Is this the same Cutter Ford that sponsored the 66 A/S car?

http://www.ponysite.de/66notchbacks.htm (http://www.ponysite.de/66notchbacks.htm)

Thanks
jim p


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: honker on December 07, 2016, 12:06:50 PM
Kieth, re: the photo of P/1015 on the cover of Motor Racing, great photo, one I've not seen before. back in the day photos were sometimes colourized, or touched up to enhance the look, reproduction was not the best either,  this was done more crudely than in todays digital age. the flashes on the front fenders look touched up to my eye as well, mind fifty years of siting on the shelf, or exposure to light will also cause fade.

Mike (honker)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: GT350CS on December 08, 2016, 09:24:41 AM
SFM66H

I sent you a PM

Dennis


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 08, 2016, 09:26:38 AM
Is this the same Cutter Ford that sponsored the 66 A/S car?

http://www.ponysite.de/66notchbacks.htm (http://www.ponysite.de/66notchbacks.htm)

Thanks
jim p

Jim P,

I would like to know too, and maybe somebody here will be able to offer more.

I hadn't been aware of Cutter Ford sponsoring a Group II Sedan until now, Thanks!

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 08, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
The GLASS FIBRE supplier for Ford's GT40's - P/1046 shown here:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Motor_Racing_%28August_1966%29_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 08, 2016, 10:23:17 AM
GT350CS,

I sent you a response.

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 08, 2016, 11:37:19 AM
Kieth, re: the photo of P/1015 on the cover of Motor Racing, great photo, one I've not seen before. back in the day photos were sometimes colourized, or touched up to enhance the look, reproduction was not the best either,  this was done more crudely than in todays digital age. the flashes on the front fenders look touched up to my eye as well, mind fifty years of siting on the shelf, or exposure to light will also cause fade.

Mike (honker)

Mike - For what it's worth, that magazine is in really excellent condition, and it isn't at all faded/yellowed like many I have seen. But I do acknowledge your points about the color reproduction technology of 50 years ago.

Kieth


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: gjz30075 on December 10, 2016, 08:35:30 AM
A while ago, Jim alerted me to this magazine that he found 'across the pond.' I just had to have it, so he scored it for me.
This image was one we had never seen before and it really appealed to us as it shows P/1015 in a gritty, race worn condition.

The caption for this cover photo says: "Ken Miles at the wheel of the Ford GT in which he shared second place at Le Mans - by a few feet! - with Denis Hulme."
It doesn't look like Miles to me though, it appears to be Hulme driving (the helmet looks green in color).

There's also a couple of really nice ads & photos in this issue that I will post as well.

What an awesome photo of P/1015 this is:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Motor_Racing_%28August_1966%29_a1.jpg)

I'm thinking maybe it's Ronnie Bucknum.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 13, 2016, 10:32:07 AM
Re: "I'm thinking maybe it's Ronnie Bucknum."

I could agree with you on that. It does look more like him either of the other drivers. There's no mention in the Registry of Bucknum driving 1015 at this race, but that's not to say that it couldn't have happened.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 13, 2016, 10:42:11 AM
Another ad from this issue of MOTOR RACING:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Motor_Racing_%28August_1966%29_e1.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 14, 2016, 10:51:35 AM
This is interesting reading about the controversial Ford finish at Le Mans in June 1966, because it's a British perspective from only two months after the race.

The pages will read better if you right click & save them:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/motor_racing_%28august_1966%29_f1.jpg)

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Motor_Racing_%28August_1966%29_g.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 27, 2016, 11:41:17 AM
Here's a nice photo of Ken Miles in CSX2002 at Sebring '63 with a pretty cool caption.

I had never seen this photo before and really liked it, so even though it was on two pages I felt it worth the time to scan both, stitch them together and then work the seam imperfections out.

Enjoy!

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Car___Driver_%28June_1963%29_pgs_30-31.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on December 27, 2016, 11:52:54 AM
The above photo of Ken Miles is from the coverage of Sebring '63 in the June 1963 issue of Car & Driver magazine.
Also in that article, on page 29, is this little snippet that caught my eye:

 (http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Car___Driver_%28June_1963%29_pg_29.jpg)

"The Quote" (my words) was significant to me, because it's the first (and earliest) time I've ever seen it in print, somewhere outside of a SAAC publication.

Significant, because I used to wonder if that quote could have been one of those 'Shelby quotes or stories' that seemed to surface over the years.
But this publication of it in a national magazine in 1963 proves to me that it really was said at the time, and not later.

That's pretty cool too!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Jan Alsemgeest on February 15, 2017, 05:27:14 AM
Hey, you're right!
Looking through my European Mustang race results shows two outings for this Mustang Hardtop at the Bahamas Speed Weeks
64-11-29 Nassau Tourist Trophy
   #199 DPK7B Prelim 11th oa, Main 9th oa Skip Scott
64-12-6 Nassau Trophy Race
    #199 DPK7B 16th oa, 1st GTP5.0 Skip Scott
Chug a Lug


Dear Members,
 
Does anybody know if Skip Scott did use an Tecalemit Jackson Petrol Injection system on this 289 Hipo car? I know these injection systems were sold by Holman Moody and they have close connections.
Was it allowed to add or use a Petrol Injection System in his class (GTP5.0?). I'm not so familiar with rules book out of that time period.

I'm looking for all kind of (new!) information on this car (The Alan Mann Mustang DPK-7B) or on Tecalemit Jackson Petrol Injection systems so if anybody got details, quotes, images or parts, please reply.
Many Thanks.
Jan Alsemgeest
The Netherlands


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 01, 2017, 10:11:08 AM
Here's a neat ad for BAY AREA AUTO SALES that features 5R102.
This was in the Vaca Valley, Sept 10-11, 1966 race program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Vaca_Valley%2C_Sept_10-11%2C_1966_program_%285R102%29.jpg)


I was wondering what the angled black lines were on the front apron in the ad above, then I found this closer photo that shows that they are electrical tape.
Their purpose? I'm still wondering . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/5R102_at_Stockton%2C_Calif_.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on March 01, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
Maybe just to make it easier to tell which Shelby (your team) was coming towards you on the straight(?)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Shelby_0022 on March 01, 2017, 10:25:48 AM
Here's a neat ad for BAY AREA AUTO SALES that features 5R102.
This was in the Vaca Valley, Sept 10-11, 1966 race program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Vaca_Valley%2C_Sept_10-11%2C_1966_program_%285R102%29.jpg)


I was wondering what the angled black lines were on the front apron in the ad above, then I found this closer photo that shows that they are electrical tape.
Their purpose? I'm still wondering . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/5R102_at_Stockton%2C_Calif_.jpg)

...to give that snake some fangs!  :partyon


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 02, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
Jim recently scored some original posters, and the one that really caught my eye was this one from the March 3, 1963 race at Dodger Stadium.
It's 11" x 17" printed on real heavy paper and prominently features a Cobra.

I looked thru all of my CSX2002, CSX2026 and Dodger Stadium photos hoping to see one of these posters in the background of one of them, but I didn't see one.
It was amazing to have one of the actual posters from a race that Dave MacDonald and Ken Miles raced at in my hands:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/scan_of_actual_11_x_17_poster_%28reduced%29.jpg)

I've always liked this photo of Phil Remington leaning over Miles' CSX2002 on that day:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Dodger_Stadium_%28March_3%2C_1963%29.jpg)

If anyone has a Dodger Stadium photo that shows one of these posters in the background, please share it!

Thanks

SEE REPLY #347 IN THIS THREAD


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on March 02, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
Wow - that poster is just awesome!

And only 2 colors on yellow stock  Chug a Lug

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: GT350Lad on March 02, 2017, 12:44:34 PM
Awesome poster, love it  PeelOut


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: car 26-JD on March 02, 2017, 02:18:04 PM
Wow - that poster is just awesome!

And only 2 colors on yellow stock  Chug a Lug

- Phillip

Awesome poster, love it  PeelOut

Agreed


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: terlingua11 on March 02, 2017, 03:17:08 PM
I "Googled" Globe Poster Baltimore. Looks like a very interesting place. Printed a lot of music posters etc. I read a few articles that some are now considered very valuable. Take a look under ( Images in Google ) if you like that poster, they all have that same vibe. Here was just one article that gives more of the background on the shop-

http://www.baltimoremagazine.net/2002/7/1/men-and-ink


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on March 02, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
^^^ thank you sooooo much for posting the link to that article  Chug a Lug

It is fantastic - I have that "The Art of Rock" coffee table book they mention.

I just love that sh!t...

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: vernonestes on March 02, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to drop my .02 in to avoid confusion. The dodger stadium poster on this thread was not a period piece. It was printed much later along with many other versions for different races (most with different/random illustrations of other cars and events)...I dont know when they were actually printed but they are a recent poster made to look like an original poster. In fact, many show up on ebay with clearly fake patina added to them..

I am sure a true event poster would have been made for the Dodger stadium event, however, I have not seen one. Those would be extremely scarce.

Wanted to get this out there so nobody goes paying a bunch of moolaa for one. They are readily available and not expensive/collectible. The links below are all from a single seller on eBay..and every other poster the guy is selling is also a fake.

Kind regards,
Vern

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/332075897069?rmvSB=true

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1950s-Talbot-Lago-Grand-Prix-San-Diego-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332136857221?hash=item4d54e63e85:g:JOcAAOSwWxNYr5vc

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Austin-Mini-Cooper-Portland-Oregon-Vintage-Race-Poster-11-x-17-/332134826024?hash=item4d54c74028:g:A4AAAOSwtfhYo7~b

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1957-Corvette-1950s-Galveston-Texas-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332142104387?hash=item4d55364f43:g:BIoAAOSw4A5YtvsF

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1940s-Alfa-Romeo-8C-Watkins-Glen-NY-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332133894934?hash=item4d54b90b16:g:ZFwAAOSwx6pYsNHf

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1950s-Corvette-Milwaukee-Wisconsin-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332134551506?hash=item4d54c30fd2:g:QIIAAOSw32lYs1Ik

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1940s-Alfa-Romeo-8C-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-Langhorne-Pennsylvania-/332129825828?hash=item4d547af424:g:O9oAAOSwuxFYs2y6

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1950s-Morgan-Plus-4-Bakersfield-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-Califo-/332134646297?hash=item4d54c48219:g:yfMAAOSwtfhYs21B

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1950s-Championship-Auto-Race-North-Carolina-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332137607755?hash=item4d54f1b24b:g:uu4AAOSw32lYtjR7

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Sunbeam-Alpine-Race-Cumberland-Maryland-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332133894487?hash=item4d54b90957:g:U48AAOSwB-1YsNEk

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1950s-OSCA-MT4-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-Road-America-Wisconsin-/332134647342?hash=item4d54c4862e:g:gVgAAOSwx6pYtNCB

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1950s-Porsche-Carrera-Speedster-Virginia-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11x17-/332128017782?hash=item4d545f5d76:g:4dIAAOSw32lYshjo

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Aston-Martin-DB4-GT-Virginia-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332134645502?hash=item4d54c47efe:g:1sIAAOSwfVpYtNDP

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ferrari-250-Testa-Rossa-1950s-Riverside-California-Vintage-Race-Poster-11-x-17-/332127779346?hash=item4d545bba12:g:xkMAAOSw4A5Ys2xr

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Jaguar-E-Type-XKE-Santa-Barbara-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-/332134552284?hash=item4d54c312dc:g:JmcAAOSwB-1YtjTd

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Porsche-356-B-Coupe-Race-Vintage-Advertising-Poster-11-x-17-Connecticut-/332134550900?hash=item4d54c30d74:g:JlAAAOSw32lYs2wX


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: terlingua11 on March 02, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
YIKES!!!  HeadSpin


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on March 02, 2017, 05:17:36 PM
Man - that dude has quite the faux old poster biz going.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on March 03, 2017, 12:55:15 AM
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to drop my .02 in to avoid confusion. The dodger stadium poster on this thread was not a period piece. It was printed much later along with many other versions for different races (most with different/random illustrations of other cars and events)...I dont know when they were actually printed but they are a recent poster made to look like an original poster. In fact, many show up on ebay with clearly fake patina added to them..

I am sure a true event poster would have been made for the Dodger stadium event, however, I have not seen one. Those would be extremely scarce.

Wanted to get this out there so nobody goes paying a bunch of moolaa for one. They are readily available and not expensive/collectible. The links below are all from a single seller on eBay..and every other poster the guy is selling is also a fake.

Kind regards,
Vern

Vern - I defer to the pros on this one and plead ignorance. I got so geeked up when I saw it I never even gave it a thought that it wasn't original. It sure looks the part, I'll say that! Other than my assumption that it had been at a race that MacDonald and Miles were in, hopefully there's no harm and no foul in sharing it with the Forum members - they seemed to enjoy the artwork as much as I did. Thanks for enlightening us about the nuances of the poster world.

That thing is still cool as heck though!

Kieth   


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: propayne on March 03, 2017, 07:53:05 AM
^^^ I did enjoy seeing it and really loved the link to the article on Globe Posters.

I'm not sure how this guy is reproducing his posters, where he is getting his images and materials and all and if they are repops, they are most likely digitally printed as it is quicker and cheaper than offset printing.

But take the illustration of the Cobra - and all the other car illustrations for that matter - those look like they have been acquired from a vintage source.

I would love to know how this guy is reproducing or generating all these faux vintage posters.

- Phillip


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: 6R07mi on March 03, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
Here's a neat ad for BAY AREA AUTO SALES that features 5R102.
This was in the Vaca Valley, Sept 10-11, 1966 race program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Vaca_Valley%2C_Sept_10-11%2C_1966_program_%285R102%29.jpg)


I was wondering what the angled black lines were on the front apron in the ad above, then I found this closer photo that shows that they are electrical tape.
Their purpose? I'm still wondering . . .

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/5R102_at_Stockton%2C_Calif_.jpg)

That's 5R002 if I remember correctly ?? !!

jim p


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: vernonestes on March 03, 2017, 12:12:44 PM
Vern - I defer to the pros on this one and plead ignorance. I got so geeked up when I saw it I never even gave it a thought that it wasn't original. It sure looks the part, I'll say that! Other than my assumption that it had been at a race that MacDonald and Miles were in, hopefully there's no harm and no foul in sharing it with the Forum members - they seemed to enjoy the artwork as much as I did. Thanks for enlightening us about the nuances of the poster world.

That thing is still cool as heck though!

Kieth   

Yo!

I agree that the posters have a great asthetic!

I was merely putting that info out there so nobody paid big bucks for onethinking it was a period piece when u can buy one reasonably for display any day of the week!

I like the poster as well just wanted to save someone the misfortune of paying 100s or 1000s for one!

Kind regards,
Vern


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: richstang on March 03, 2017, 04:45:55 PM
That's 5R002 if I remember correctly ?? !!

Jim p

Jim,
That is definitely 5r102 driven by Ron Dykes, who purchased it in early 1966. The second photo posted by Kieth was taken at Stockton, CA in June of '66. The narrow font of the race number "2" was used earlier in the season, by September it became a much wider font that was much easier to see from a distance.

Kieth,
That's an awesome ad you found. Thanks for posting it here!
 Chug a Lug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 22, 2017, 10:02:23 AM
From the Feb 2 & 3, 1963 Riverside race program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Feb_2-3%2C_1963_Riverside_race_program.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: chad on May 22, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
Very cool!  Very attractive as well!


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Doug C on May 22, 2017, 11:33:02 AM
Very cool!  Very attractive as well!

Yes and no piercings or visible tattoos, I still like the fresh smiling face.  Of course this is only my opinion.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: BryanW on May 22, 2017, 01:02:18 PM
Yes and no piercings or visible tattoos, I still like the fresh smiling face.  Of course this is only my opinion.

+1   Chug a Lug


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: Chris B on May 22, 2017, 04:51:17 PM

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/5R102_at_Stockton%2C_Calif_.jpg)

Wheeling around the track in one of those Caterhams/Super 7s/tiny cars with Shelbys and Corvettes bearing down on you had to be a bit intimidating.  The thought of a side impact is terrifying.


Title: Re: Shelby American Collection and Shelby Parts and Restoration
Post by: SFM66H on May 30, 2017, 09:20:30 AM
Here's a nice photo I had never seen before. It shows Ken Miles on a parade lap with GT/108.

This was in the June 12-13, 1965 Port of Stockton (CA) National Championship Road Races program:

(http://saacforum.com/galleryc/albums/userpics/11081/Ken_Miles%2C_Ford_GT_parade_lap_%28GT_108%29.jpg)